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From: wengland@stephsf.stephsf.com (Bill England)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: ODT questions
Keywords: ODT SCO gcc GNU
Message-ID: <365@stephsf.stephsf.com>
Date: 14 Sep 90 18:11:46 GMT
References: <13398@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Organization: Stephen Software Systems, Inc., Tacoma WA
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In article <13398@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastdd@prism.gatech.EDU (David Preston Dykes) writes:
>Greetings-

>    1)  Are there any of ya'll that are using it but are disatisfied,
>    if so why?

    ODT's great!  Support is even pretty good and is definitely very
    responsive.
>

[...]
>    a)  Would this include all the libraries etc I need to get down
>    to programing for my environment including X?

    X ... you'll have a problem there I'm afraid.  The development
    system for X includes all of the development libs, defs, and
    imake.  So if you don't buy the development package for X then
    you will have to get the X source and compile it yourself.  Also,
    Ingres libs are in the development kit I believe, as are DOS
    cross libraries.  ( Not that you would really want to use the DOS
    on a Unix system :-)   )

>    b)  I am in sorta a catch 22.  Without a c compiler, how the
>    heck do I compile my c compiler?  Does anyone out there have
>    a compiled version out there they would be so good as to send
>    me?  Could I compile it on some system V AT&T machines I have
>    access to and use those binaries (it is supposed to be sys v
>    compatible n'est pas)?

    Ever taken a compiler class??  Classic problem.  You could even 
    compile it on your schools Vax or Sequent (I'm dreaming arent I?) 
    or even the old PDP-11 (every school has an old PDP-11 somewhere.) 
    and have the output objs generated in 386 instructions.  Get the 
    GNU C compiler source and see what the instructions suggest.  

    Anyway you are looking at a long winter project to get a GNU based 
    development system running with X and it probally will not support 
    Ingres development.
>
>    3)  Is any one running this on a system as whimppy as a 20MHz
>    386sx with an mfm drive and 4Mb of memory, if so how slow are
>    things (esp. X)?

    Yes/No, A DTK Pem2000 20Mhz (it's not an sx though).  I do have 
    8Meg of memory and picked up an fpu which helps in some ingres 
    and X programs (SCO is still releasing X11R3 with R4 due out 
    ... ???).  SCO-ODT does support the Video 7 1024i board and 
    they have threatend to upgrade their driver to support 256 
    colors in the lower res non interlaced modes.

   Gezz, I really would not get an sx if I could at all avoid it. Also,
   you are going to need lots of disk space.  It is cheaper per unit
   in hundred megabyte quanties anyway.  A SCSI card eliminates headaces
   caused by overlapping interupts and allows disks and tape drives to
   be added eaisly.

   Of course if you are really on a low budget then you might try
   the $95 Coherent.  It is not Unix and only handles the small 
   model intel code but, it could fit your needs as a student. It
   does not need much disk, does not support streams (no TCP or
   X11, although they say it is coming.)  It does come with Lex,
   Yacc, and a C compiler.  Send mail to Mark Williams Publishing
   Company and see what they say.
>
>ANY responses to these questions would be GREATLY appreciated.

  There is a newsgroup for sco's open desktop.  The traffic is light
  and you may be able to persuade your sysadmin to carry it.  It is
  sco.opendesktop.  ( We carry everyting sco here and occasionally
  some interesting things slip out but, not recently. )

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