Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!jarthur!ucivax!gateway From: mydog!gcf@hombre.masa.COM Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Sex and Cards Message-ID: <9009190945.AA00092@uunet.uu.net> Date: 19 Sep 90 16:49:14 GMT References: <12619962177008@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu> Lines: 44 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu }... "adult" magazine or baseball cards. The older men }bought the magazines and the small kids concentrated on the cards. As }I sat, I thought about the comparisons between the two. Kids buy }these cards so that they can "own" a certain person - say Pete Rose. } ... They learn that people are commodities. Later in life, }they will treat women the same way, as commodities.... } }Does any of this make sense??? It makes sense, but I think it's wrong. First, the function of a baseball card is to serve as a kind of religious or moral icon. The card depicts a hero, one who overcomes ordinary human limitations and achieves victory in a difficult, very competitive, and yet easily understood art. Some of the very highest ideals are incarnated in sports, and they are there far more available to small boys than the spiritual, mental, and commercial icons of their elders. The card does not confer possession of the hero, only a small part of his _mana_. One doesn't get to own Pete Rose, one gets to own _a_ Pete Rose. Ask any collector of baseball cards. The skin mag, on the other hand, does not portray a religious ideal, at least not as far as I know. The images of unclad women confer pleasure directly. Many men, in fact, come to appreciate the pictures more than the women depicted; real women are people, after all, and people are always problematical. And for many men who are undesirable because of age, physical appearance, or other involuntary conditions, these picture may be the only possibility in this world of experiencing women sexually. A bitter desert, in which even a mirage is to be treasured! It's true that _sex_ is a commodity in the second case, just as _mana_ is in the first case, but for the small-time purchasers, the beings in whom these goods arise are not themselves commodities; the buying and selling of whole human beings is the pastime of only a very few. We may wonder why sex and _mana_ are commodities, instead of bursting forth in the public squares like fountains; but the world is as it is, for now. Besides, there's no particular evidence that those who buy baseball cards grow up to buy skin mags, is there? -- Gordon Fitch | uunet!hombre!mydog!gcf