Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!phri!marob!cowan From: cowan@marob.masa.com (John Cowan) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Emergent properties (was: What AI is exactly) Summary: Emergent properties depend on explanatory levels Message-ID: <26FA3460.1C7D@marob.masa.com> Date: 21 Sep 90 15:40:15 GMT References: <147@tdatirv.UUCP> <59556@bbn.BBN.COM> <3894@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> Organization: ESCC, New York City Lines: 32 In article <3894@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM>, jim@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Jim Ruehlin, Cognitologist domesticus) writes: >In article <59556@bbn.BBN.COM> BKort@bbn.com (Barry Kort) writes: >>As I see it, emotions are an emergent property of any learning system. >Not to flame, but I wish people would stop using the term "emergence". >I know they won't, but could you state what you mean? My assessment >of the idea of emergence is that it's not possible within our curernt >paradigm of science and rationality. The impression I get is that >people throw the term around when they need a hand-waving explaination >of some mental phenomenon. People certainly do abuse the term "emergent", but it does have a definite meaning. An emergent property is a property of a system that cannot be accounted for by the properties of the system components, relative to some level of explanation. For example: Nitric acid does not dissolve gold. Sulfuric acid does not dissolve gold. A mixture of the two, called aqua regia, does dissolve gold. This property is emergent at the level of commonplace understanding, namely that the properties of a mixture are a mixture of the properties of the components. At the level of acid-base chemistry, of course, the behavior of aqua regia is well understood. So emergent-ness does not make sense as a concept without reference to a level of understanding, either implied or stated. In the original article, the claim that "emotions are an emergent property of intelligent systems" means that emotions arise from the interactions of a set of components, none of which themselves possess emotion. -- cowan@marob.masa.com (aka ...!hombre!marob!cowan) e'osai ko sarji la lojban