Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!well!tenney From: jmc@Gang-of-Four.usenet (John McCarthy) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news Subject: Re: Evidence (was Re: Musing on Constitutionality) Message-ID: <20773@well.sf.ca.us> Date: 12 Sep 90 22:09:42 GMT References: <11621@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> <36981@ut-emx> <3998@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM> Sender: tenney@well.sf.ca.us Organization: /u/jmc/.organization Lines: 25 Approved: comp-org-eff-news@well.sf.ca.us In-Reply-To: fnord@spdcc.COM's message of 12 Sep 90 19:01:46 GMT As far as I can see, no-one actually answered Gene Spafford's question about whether the law sees a difference between the New York Times and a basement produced sheet. I have never heard of such a difference being argued in a censorship case. The legal movement has been in the direction off erasing differences. For example, advertisements have been granted First Amendment protection to some extent. Concerning "best evidence". There obviously needs to be some compromise here between keeping evidence and letting someone get on with his work. There are several possibilities. 1. A person's disk could be printed and he could stipulate via his lawyer that the printout was correct. Then he could have his disk back. When facts are stipulated by the prosecution and defense, judges permit reneging on the stipulation only in exceptional cases. 2. He could have a right to a copy of the confiscated files. 3. If his computer was an IBM PC XT, this could be stipulated, and he could get his computer back. Any PC XT or the documentation of the PC XT would be acceptable evidence if he should destroy the one he got back. I believe courts would support such compromises on the grounds that refusal by prosecutors to make them would constitute "unreasonable search and seizure".