Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!motcsd!mcdcup!mcdchg!ddsw1!corpane!sparks From: sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: 24 bit graphics Message-ID: <3191@corpane.UUCP> Date: 24 Sep 90 22:47:35 GMT References: <1990Sep20.070806.27756@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Distribution: na Organization: Corpane Industries Inc., Louisville, KY Lines: 69 gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin) writes: >I suppose that I'm going to be flamed quite thoroughly for this, but >what the hell: > I really think that Marc Barrett has been receiving bad treatment >from people on the net. Yeah I have noticed that people have been Auto-flaming too. I am probably guilty of this too. >Marc may have a volatile way of putting points >across (I don't see them as that bad myself, but obviously some people >do), but he is certainly entitled to express his opinions, and I feel >that people should argue them rationally. Many people are wasting >quite a bit of bandwidth by simply bashing him. We are getting back to >something that happened several months ago. We don't flame him because he has bad ideas (although he has had some, we all have), people flame him because of the way he goes about expressing his ideas. He just whines about a subject, over and over again. Take Amiga graphics, for instance. We all would love it if Commodore came out with a 24 bit standard for the Amiga. But Marc takes that subject and wears it out. And he makes it look like CBM is this awful company that needs to get their act on the ball *****NOW***** or it's going to go down the tubes. Then he lets up on that for a while and starts whining about CBM marketing. Then he whines about educational discounts. Then he starts over. It really gets old after 3 or 4 times. At first people did argue rationally with him, or agree with him. Then the subject dropped, because (in the 24 bit example) came to the conclusion that we won't get 24 bit right now, but we probably will in the future. Fine right? Well, a few weeks later, Marc starts up on it again. same result. Then again. and again. and again. By this time people are tired of arguing rationally and just flame him by habit. That's where most of us are now. I guess the best thing to do would be to ignore him. But it's kinda hard to watch him post his garbage and not at least let him know how we feel. And I guess we do it in public rather than email, to let the unsuspecting newbees know what is going on with this character. [Marc I know you will read this. This is truly how many of us feel about you. Sorry, but we think you act like a jerk most of the time. Why don't you take a look at what you are doing and cut it out? Stop being a jerk. quit sounding like a broken record, and stop trying to be the Amiga Consumer Advocate by looking for piddly things to start arguments about. We know the Amiga isn't perfect, and we would like 24 Bit graphics and CD quality sound and Artificial Intellegence and Built-In Read/Write Optical drives and HDTV and everything for free, but we realize that that stuff costs money. Or you have to wait till it's commonplace enough to be cheap before CBM can give it to us without raising prices. 24 Bit graphics is getting there. You aren't getting anything done by bitching, I guarantee you. You just put up a wall between yourself and those who you are trying to reach. Just like we start to automatically flame you whenever you say anything on usenet without really considering it, so will the people at CBM begin to ignore you. "Oh, it's just that -MB- character again.. ignore him" is what they will be saying. Remember the boy who cried wolf. Don't be your own worst enemy, and all those other cliches.] -- John Sparks |D.I.S.K. Public Access Unix System| Multi-User Games, Email sparks@corpane.UUCP |PH: (502) 968-DISK 24Hrs/2400BPS | Usenet, Chatting, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|7 line Multi-User system. | Downloads & more. A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of----Ogden Nash