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From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Amiga Bashers
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Date: 22 Sep 90 14:59:32 GMT
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In <1990Sep22.055242.20803@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> cbdougla@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Collin Broad Douglas) writes:


>  I guess what really upsets me most is I think the GS has a lot of potential.

Ditto here!  Much too much potential that isn't being exploited!

>I'd rather have an Amiga than an IBM compatible just about any day...

Ditto.  Especially with what kind of energetic support from regular 
programmers/hackers can be expected on the Amiga.

>>refer you to somebody who can roast you alive with the truth.  Where is
>>the Apple II system that can call up a Unix system and have a
>>transparent mount to the filesystem, as if it was just another drive?

>that's what the Appleshare FST is for.  GS/OS has the capability for 
>accessing different file systems easily through FSTs.  The GS can boot
>from an Appleshare file server (the Mac can't) and the server shows up
>as a disk drive on the desktop.

Okay, can you just call up a Unix machine and use Appleshare FST to
mount the system as a drive?  Can you do that using a regular modem?
Without any extra hardware? (given modem) Is it FREE??????  If the
answers to these are ALL yes, then tell me about it, I'd like to use it!
And yup, the GS has the *capability* to use other file systems, but
where is the ACTUAL capability to use em?  You only get the ProDOS,
AppleShare, and the High Sierra format.  Hmm, NeXT is gonna offer a High
Sierra type CD-ROM, maybe I could just hook my GS up to that....  Did I
miss any formats or mix em up?  Where is the support for Mac HFS?
MS-DOS?  Unix? etc..  The *capability* for support doesn't mean SQUAT if
you don't GET/HAVE that capability (except somewhat thru AppleShare).

>>Or where are the Apple II programmers working on networking?  TCP/IP?  I
>>know folks who are working on this for the Amiga.  Or how about having

>ever heard of ProLine?

For what?  $200+?  Uh, ever heard of public domain?  That's what this
stuff is gonna be.

>>the same time (major Amiga hacker was telling me).  Although 'great
>>games = Amiga', 'Amiga != games', not anymore.

>the GS can mix 320 and 640 modes on the same screen.

Interesting, I've never heard about this.  From what my Amiga-hacking
friend was telling me, having multiple types of windows was simple, and
easy, and supported by the OS (I think).

>>Note:  I'm not an Amiga fan, I just know people here that are working
>>on this kinda stuff.  I wish some Apple II programmers were, or that
>>there was some incentive too!

>same here.  I want MINIX for the GS.  First, the Byte Works needs to make
>Orca C even better.

Absolutely!  Networking support (tcp/ip or slip (which I don't know much
about, but works over modems i'm to understand)) would be a nice bonus
also!  Why should Amiga folks have all the fun with innovative
programming?  And it's about 3+ years overdue that we had a machine that
could stand up against Amiga.  Bought the only thing impressive on my GS
versuses an Amiga is the sound.  Too bad I don't do sound programming.

Ooops, that sounded like a flame.  Just sorta gets me pissed when folks
say the Amiga doesn't have any REAL software, where it is really kicking
our butts by support from programmers on it.  We should be kicking THEIR
butts.  After all, who's been around longer, had more company support
(?), or did at least, and have more machines in the market place (or do
we?)?

-k