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From: cbdougla@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Collin Broad Douglas)
Message-ID: <1990Sep24.045936.7043@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 04:59:36 GMT

In article <5591@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
>In <1990Sep22.055242.20803@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> cbdougla@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.e
du (Collin Broad Douglas) writes:
>
>
>>  I guess what really upsets me most is I think the GS has a lot of potential.
>
>Ditto here!  Much too much potential that isn't being exploited!
>
>>I'd rather have an Amiga than an IBM compatible just about any day...
>
>Ditto.  Especially with what kind of energetic support from regular 
>programmers/hackers can be expected on the Amiga.
>
>>>refer you to somebody who can roast you alive with the truth.  Where is
>>>the Apple II system that can call up a Unix system and have a
>>>transparent mount to the filesystem, as if it was just another drive?
>
>>that's what the Appleshare FST is for.  GS/OS has the capability for 
>>accessing different file systems easily through FSTs.  The GS can boot
>>from an Appleshare file server (the Mac can't) and the server shows up
>>as a disk drive on the desktop.
>
>Okay, can you just call up a Unix machine and use Appleshare FST to
>mount the system as a drive?  Can you do that using a regular modem?
>Without any extra hardware? (given modem) Is it FREE??????  If the
>answers to these are ALL yes, then tell me about it, I'd like to use it!
>And yup, the GS has the *capability* to use other file systems, but
>where is the ACTUAL capability to use em?  You only get the ProDOS,
>AppleShare, and the High Sierra format.  Hmm, NeXT is gonna offer a High
>Sierra type CD-ROM, maybe I could just hook my GS up to that....  Did I
>miss any formats or mix em up?  Where is the support for Mac HFS?
>MS-DOS?  Unix? etc..  The *capability* for support doesn't mean SQUAT if
>you don't GET/HAVE that capability (except somewhat thru AppleShare).

  your point is correct but this is part of that 'potential' I was talking
  bout.  If there is a local Appleshare server you can plug into it and
  use Appletalk.  I think the xfer rate is what, 240kbps?  I don't think
  you can do what you talk about with the modem though.
>
>>>Or where are the Apple II programmers working on networking?  TCP/IP?  I
>>>know folks who are working on this for the Amiga.  Or how about having
>
>>ever heard of ProLine?
>
>For what?  $200+?  Uh, ever heard of public domain?  That's what this
>stuff is gonna be.
>

true.  Proline is good though.

>>>the same time (major Amiga hacker was telling me).  Although 'great
>>>games = Amiga', 'Amiga != games', not anymore.
>
>>the GS can mix 320 and 640 modes on the same screen.
>
>Interesting, I've never heard about this.  From what my Amiga-hacking
>friend was telling me, having multiple types of windows was simple, and
>easy, and supported by the OS (I think).

 I'm pretty sure you can do this.  However, I don't have the toolbox reference
 to cite examples from so I'll leave it to someone else.  (Matt?)

>
>>>Note:  I'm not an Amiga fan, I just know people here that are working
>>>on this kinda stuff.  I wish some Apple II programmers were, or that
>>>there was some incentive too!
>
>>same here.  I want MINIX for the GS.  First, the Byte Works needs to make
>>Orca C even better.
>
>Absolutely!  Networking support (tcp/ip or slip (which I don't know much
>about, but works over modems i'm to understand)) would be a nice bonus
>also!  Why should Amiga folks have all the fun with innovative
>programming?  And it's about 3+ years overdue that we had a machine that
>could stand up against Amiga.  Bought the only thing impressive on my GS
>versuses an Amiga is the sound.  Too bad I don't do sound programming.
>
>Ooops, that sounded like a flame.  Just sorta gets me pissed when folks
>say the Amiga doesn't have any REAL software, where it is really kicking
>our butts by support from programmers on it.  We should be kicking THEIR
>butts.  After all, who's been around longer, had more company support
>(?), or did at least, and have more machines in the market place (or do
>we?)?
>
>-k

  I've waited awhile and I'll wait awhile longer.  I wont sell me GS but that
  doesn't mean I wont buy another computer.

	 Collin Douglas

	 cbdougla@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu

maybe a Decstation 5000?  YEAH!