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From: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles William Swiger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: TCP/IP UUCP (was:Re: Amiga Bashers)
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Date: 23 Sep 90 00:07:31 GMT
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>	Isn't TCP/IP related to UUCP? If I'm even correct that >they have
something to do with each other, then I think I >have something to say
about this.

>	ProLine does not use UUCP. From what I understand, all >messages run
through some gateway machine that runs both UUCP >and whatever
(proprietary?) standard that Morgan Davis's >using in ProLine.

>	What I am interested in is true UUCP so that I could >get permission
from my school (I'm not saying they'd even do >it, I just mean
theoretically) and get my own newsfeed from >the UNIX machine I have an
account on. This would be for a >BBS or something.

>	One question about ProLine that I have is this though: >Does every
ProLine site in the country have to call up that >one gateway (thus 
messages get out/in daily or hourly or >whatever but potentially HUGE
phone bills) or do messages >'jump' from one node to the next (thus
possibly days or WEEKS >until a message gets out/in)???

TCP/IP stands for Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol.  It a
a protocol that can transmit information across the Internet network to
one or more specific 4 digit Internet addresses, like 130.43.2.2
(Apple.Com) or 128.2.29.61 (circe.weh.andrew.cmu.edu - the machine I'm
on now).  These addresses are absolute and (for example) any Internet
Post Office machine (which handles BBS's and mail) will try to send the
requested information over the quickest path that it knows of.  UUCP
stands for Unix-to-Unix CoPy and uses relative addresses that must
specify each node in the path in order to transmit information.

So yes, they both are methods of transmitting data from machine A to
machine B, although TCP is much, much better.

The Proline system that I'm familiar with (pro-angmar, in Boston) uses a
fast modem (9600 baud or so) that connects to a machine at one of the
local colleges (BC, maybe).  Apples aren't Unix machines, and they don't
run UUCP.  What Proline does is emulate UUCP over a phone line for
specific purposes, namely what's required to run a BBS, mail server, and
software library.

If you've got an account on a Unix machine, and you've got access to
either the Internet or Bitnet, then you could recieve the newsfeeds that
are available from various sites on those networks.

From what I've heard, the monthly phone bills for typical Proline sites
are around 50 dollars.  You'd have to talk to a Proline sysop for more
infomation, of course.  (Are any such people listening??? ;-)

As for mail delivery times, that varies widely, depending on the
network(s) involved, the quality (as in response time) of the mail
servers along the way, etc.  I can send mail to Internet sites across
the country in about 5 minutes, some sites reachable only through UUCP
or the Bitnet may take a day or longer.

-- Charles William Swiger
    cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu