Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!agate!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!peun33!mboen From: mboen@nixdorf.de (Martin Boening) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: The TT is finally there! Keywords: TT Message-ID: Date: 20 Sep 90 20:38:00 GMT References: <1898@ztivax.UUCP> <1990Sep12.190508.3153@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <1990Sep13.172935.1342@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1990Sep13.185245.15406@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <283@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> Sender: news@nixpbe.nixdorf.de Lines: 92 In comp.sys.atari.st you write: >Get your facts straight before posting. It prevents embarrassment. Might I suggest the same to you? I knew all you are going to tell, BUT (see below). >Look on the back of a SLC. See the SCSI port? Guess what plugs in >there! Why, SCSI peripherals - imagine that. Disks and tapes and all >kinds of clever stuff. But *not* servers. They (servers) plug in the >ethernet connector, also supplied on _all_ Suns; but you don't have >to have a server if you've got local disk... (the sun I'm posting from >has 650 megs local and no server). I'm quite aware that you connect to server machines with Ethernet and not with a 300 Bd dial-up modem, you know. However, (see below). >Also: SLC's can be had for less than $3.5k - shop around. Bluntly, no Where over here in Europe can I get it? I know a few people, including me, who'd then buy them for X terminals and such. >CISC box that I know of now can be justified on price/performance >grounds when compared to (almost) any MIPS / SPARC / 88K / generic >RISC machine, unless you already have a large body of non-portable >software. But that particular arguement can also be used to justify >IBM 3090s and all manner of like overpriced beasties. 68030 boxes >essentially don't cut it. The TT was born dead, but Jack & co aren't >going to tell anybody :-) While it's not the most advanced technology, it certainly wasn't born dead. However, people are trying to beat it to death now it finally WAS born at all :-). >-- >Ross Alexander rwa@cs.athabascau.ca (403) 675 6311 ve6pdq This is below :-) (See above :-)): Todays $ exchange rate in Germany: a $ costs 1.63 DM Now the facts, cool and emotionless: you will not be able to get the Sun SLC for $3.5K in Germany. It has just been announced by Sun for a market price of 11980,-- DM (which at current exchange rates comes to $7349.69). That's the price of the basic version which according to IX (a UNIX[TM] magazine by Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH&Co. KG) comes with a 17" monochrome Monitor with integrated motherboard carrying a SPARC processor, FPU, audio-chip and 8 MB RAM. All this you know and I know. The SCSI bus and Ethernet connector are also mentioned. Anyhow, we're now at 11980,-- DM. To get a 650 MB SCSI drive system you'll have to invest another 9980,--DM ($6122.70) [that would be a CSS GIGAFILE optical disk including a removable medium]. To stay with standard technology, you get a 20MB SCSI drive for 475,--DM ($291.41). However, you probably want at least 80 MB which you have to pay 789,--DM ($484.05) for. Other prices include - Micropolis 1588-15 SCSI 760 MB 5198,--DM ($3188.96) - Micropolis 1578-15 SCSI 327 MB 3398,--DM ($2084.66) (probably not THE CHEAPEST but one of the cheaper offers). In other words, to get a SLC and a 80MB drive, you have to spend about DM 12,455.00 ($7,641.10), to get anywhere near a 650 MB drive you spend DM 15,378.00 ($9,434.36) and for the setup with 760MB drive you pay DM 17,178.00 ($10,538.65). I guess you get the picture. The $ prices are just for your interest. You can't truly compare them with US prices because of things like different VAT, customs, transport costs, different legal requirements, ... Anyhow, before I spend 12,455.00 DM, I'll probably settle for a CISC box. No matter how powerful you want to get, you spend at least 5000.00 DM ($3067.48) less even if you do buy one of these expensive CISCmachines by Commmodore, Atari, Apple (almost as expensive as your Sun), or one of a million PC clones for even less. And you do have or will get a good software base by all sorts of vendors and software houses. How is it with a Sun? So, next time you go quoting Californian prices to German readers, check where what you're reading came from, OK? OK! So long, Martin Disclaimer: SNI has nothing to do with this. They don't even know I have any opinion. -- Email: in the USA -> mboening.pad@nixdorf.com outside USA -> mboening.pad@nixdorf.de Paper Mail: Martin Boening, Nixdorf Computer AG, PSD-C63 Pontanusstr. 55, 4790 Paderborn, W.-Germany (Phone: +49 5251 146155)