Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!linus!linus!emery From: emery@linus.mitre.org (David Emery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard Subject: Re: HyperCard 2.0 (press release) Message-ID: Date: 21 Sep 90 14:59:54 GMT References: <44987@apple.Apple.COM> <44996@apple.Apple.COM> Sender: usenet@linus.mitre.org Organization: The Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA Lines: 35 In-reply-to: chuq@Apple.COM's message of 20 Sep 90 21:45:09 GMT Normally I agree with Chuq. This time I don't. HyperCard's strength came from two facts: 1. It came free with the machine. 2. Everything was included. This encouraged non-programmers to experiment with developing stacks, as well as using them. The press release implies (damn well states) that the second condition no longer holds. I still think this is bad. >Chuq: >What the facts are is that there is *one* hypercard. The difference >in the versions is that on some of the lower end products, the ability >to get out of browsing mode will be hidden. As long as there are multiple versions, there are multiple HyperCards. Period. >Not gone, hidden -- to protect someone who hasn't figured things out >yet won't get themselves in deep trouble. So now the "computer for the rest of us" has to protect us from ourselves? Ugh! Besides, does "hidden" still mean "accessable"? I don't understand the difference here. Either it's there or it's not. If it's there, then what is Claris selling? I've been a user of Personal Computers since the TRS-80 I bought back in 1978, so I consider myself a very well informed consumer. Over the years I've had two problems with Apple. One is the basic cost of their hardware, and the other is their propensity for sueing on look-and-feel. On the other hand, my wife has a Mac at work and at home, I use them them at work, and we might buy another Mac for home. So I don't consider myself a "mindless Apple-basher", but I will stand up and say something when I think Apple (or anyone else) does it wrong. dave emery emery@aries.mitre.org