Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!iuvax!news!cse.nd.edu From: flynn@cse.nd.edu (Patrick J. Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: NeXT Religion Message-ID: <448@news.nd.edu> Date: 25 Sep 90 13:27:59 GMT References: <20467@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> Sender: news@news.nd.edu Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Notre Dame Lines: 58 In article <20467@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> pvo@sapphire.OCE.ORST.EDU nostalgizes: >Remember alt.next? >Remember magnesium fire extinguishers? > > "There is only one religious issue at NeXT -- no floppy disk." > >What happened? Reality struck. They don't seem willing to drop the OD concept entirely, but it's clearly less important (now) than getting CHEAP machines OUT THERE. Either OD prices haven't fallen to a level which makes them the medium of choice for the low-end market, OR access times are still higher than those attainable with hard disks, OR capacities haven't doubled like everyone expected them to (how many of you heard the rumour that the next NeXT would have a 512M optical with 16ms access time?). Coupled with the precipitous drop in the prices of hard disks, it looked like the optical no longer had the `edge'. Perhaps the notorious optical-drive problems scared them a little. Another buzzword I picked up in the prerelease presentations is `interoperability.' If they want to penetrate the business arena, NOT ONLY do they need great software (will Improv do?), they have to coexist with what's already out there: PCs and Macs. The floppy drive gives the new slabs and cubes the capability to read PC and Mac floppies. Someone has already developed a PC emulator for the machine (egad). This is a somewhat more sophisticated approach to the business market than the Businessland deal, in which no attempt was made to interoperate. I think it's also important to point out that the pricing structure for the original cubes had a tendency to anger business customers, who had to pay a premium for their machines by buying them through B-land. Here's a box that your kid at Moo U can buy for $6500 through the University. If you wind up liking it enough to buy one for yourself, too bad- you gotta go to Businessland and pay an extra $3500 (unless you're going to buy several hundred boxes, in which case you can negotiate directly with NeXT). I was told that NeXT is taking the Apple route in future pricing: -Announced prices are retail. -Academic discounts are negotiated on a case-by-case basis with interested schools. The more the school *promises* to buy (for its use or for resale), the better the deal it can get. That way, Joe Businessman isn't slapped in the face by the markup. It's still there, of course ;-), but it's not as blatant. Business is now a legitimate market for NeXT rather than an afterthought. Nope, I'm not NeXT-bashing. I think they made some mistakes early on, identified them, and are making a good effort at remedying them. Disclaimer: my opinions. -- Patrick J. Flynn, Computer Science & Engineering, University of Notre Dame flynn@cse.nd.edu <--- best flynn@cps.msu.edu <--- still works