Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!yale!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!89.0!William.Wilson From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: GUIDE DOGS Message-ID: <14413@bunker.UUCP> Date: 25 Sep 90 02:46:56 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA Lines: 50 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 10625 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] DK> had him many years. they were too quick in having me retire my DK> third dog, i think. I still think that since Groute left DK> things are starting to change there, Dan, SAY WHAT??? Excuse me, but when did Seeing Eye take over the job of deciding when to retire a dog??? I have never met anyone who ever said that Seeing Eye decided when to retire a dog, and I can assure you that they quite intentionally avoided making that decision for me when I questioned them about Strider! Sorry if this came out a little strong, but honestly, I don't want the others reading this thread to think that Seeing Eye decides when a dog is to be retired, cause that just ain't the case! Perhaps in the case of ongoing health problems they might suggest it, but like I said earlier, the reason Seeing Eye charges a price, ridiculously low as it is, for their dogs, is they want it firmly established that it is YOUR dog, and not theirs, and this includes things like making decisions about retirement! If their is anything about Seeing Eye philosophy that I fully support, assuming any of us is able to make statements about any of the guide dog school's philosophies or policies, it is this! Personally, I would never get a dog from a school that maintains some sort of control over the dog after I am home with it, and without a doubt, Seeing Eye is not guilty of such a thing! As far as Seeing Eye changing since Grout left, I find it ironic that what most people have always complained about Seeing Eye, the fact they don't change much from year to year, you now propose to be vice-versa! Things like expecting the students to where less than informal clothes for the noon meal, and the use of Mr. and Mrs. instead of first names for the trainers are examples of things I've heard people bitch about needing updated, but they still do those things, and they still have many of the same personel, and they still have basically the same program they've had all along! Nope Dan, there isn't any evidence to me that things have changed that much since Grout left, and if indeed they have, I will be the first to speak up and say I was wrong, on this you can count! Willie ... BlinkTalk, Dr. Deb and Silver in Pittsburgh! -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!89.0!William.Wilson Internet: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org