Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: mike@turing.cs.unm.edu (Michael I. Bushnell) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: The Catholic Church (was the Rosary) Message-ID: Date: 26 Sep 90 06:59:30 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of No Money, Albuquerque, New Mexico Lines: 24 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu How interesting that Joe Buehler calls Catholics to a return to the "traditions of the church." How even more interesting that increased obedience is one of those traditions he so reveres. How more interestng still that he says "if the Catholic bishops had been managers of some large coroporation, they would have been fired long ago." Apparently his respect for the apostolic authority of the Catholic church's magisterium is somewhat less that one might expect. And people wonder why Reformed theology affirms that the church is "reformed and ever reforming". Joe wants a change in the Catholic church, against the authority of the Bishops and the Pope and calls it a "return to tradition". What about the apostolic authority, Joe? Isn't it an essential point of Catholic doctrine that the church has an irreplaceable authority to decide just these things Joe want to return to the pre-Vatican II state of affairs? What is going on here, Joe? Does the church have the authority you claim or not??? -- Michael I. Bushnell \ This above all; to thine own self be true LIBERTE, EGALITE, FRATERNITE \ And it must follow, as the night the day, mike@unmvax.cs.unm.edu /\ Thou canst not be false to any man. CARPE DIEM / \ Farewell: my blessing season this in thee!