Xref: utzoo comp.ai:7699 comp.ai.philosophy:1 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!isi.edu!vaxa.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Emergent properties (was: What AI is exactly) Summary: What emerges from considering emergent properties? Message-ID: <15132@venera.isi.edu> Date: 27 Sep 90 00:21:08 GMT References: <59556@bbn.BBN.COM> <3894@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> <26FA3460.1C7D@marob.masa.com> <3918@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> Sender: news@isi.edu Reply-To: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute Lines: 47 In article <3918@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> jim@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Jim Ruehlin, Cognitologist domesticus) writes: >In article <26FA3460.1C7D@marob.masa.com> cowan@marob.masa.com (John Cowan) >writes: >> >>People certainly do abuse the term "emergent", but it does have a definite >>meaning. An emergent property is a property of a system that cannot be >>accounted for by the properties of the system components, relative to some >>level of explanation. > >This sounds like "emergent = I don't know". Your definition I agree with, >but I don't think it buys us anything. If we approach it properly (rather than using it as a euphemism for our own ignorance), it offers the possibility of some intellectual hygiene. Let me return, once again, to one of my favorite examples: the Darwin automata being investigated by Gerald Edelman's group at the Neurosciences Institute. The ability of a Darwin automaton to perform perceptual categorization is an emergent property. What this means is that one cannot point to some specific system component and say, "Here is where the knowledge to recognize the letter A resides." An outside observer will be able to note that there are parts of that automaton which exhibit similar behavior when confronted with various presentations of that letter, but one cannot to a Newell-style knowledge level analysis of the system. What does this have to do with intellectual hygiene? It is a lesson to remind us that much of artificial intelligence has run aground by virtue of our insistence on asking ill-formed questions. It confronts us with the possibility that, for example, asking for a set of necessary and sufficient conditions which will enable some kind of decision logic sitting behind a retina to recognize the letter A may be one of those ill-formed questions. This is not to say that it is giving us any answers. However, when we are having trouble finding answers to our questions, often we would do well to question those questions. The study of emergent properties provokes us to consider how some of those questions might be reformulated into once which might be more accommodating. ========================================================================= USPS: Stephen Smoliar USC Information Sciences Institute 4676 Admiralty Way Suite 1001 Marina del Rey, California 90292-6695 Internet: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu "It's only words . . . unless they're true."--David Mamet