Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!media-lab!mt From: mt@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael Travers) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: emergence Summary: emergence is not mysterious Message-ID: <3531@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> Date: 3 Oct 90 00:40:52 GMT Organization: MIT Media Lab, Cambridge, MA Lines: 25 It's interesting to note that some of the better work done on emergent properties comes from the group at Los Alamos that is interested specifically in NON-linear systems, that for one reason or another do not obey the superposition principle. These people (such as Chris Langton, chair of the Artificial Life workshops) are very much NOT asserting that emergent properties are nonphysical or inherently inexplicable. In fact, they rather make a fetish of insisting that complex properties like life or intelligence be modelled bottom-up in terms of simpler processes. In non-linear systems, you can't find analytic solutions to systems involving interactions between many components, so you turn to simulation. Emergence then is more of a methodological than a theoretical point: to model a complex system, you need to start one level lower (ie, if you care about intelligence, start with neurons; if you care about life, start with chemistry) and then wait and hope that the thing you really care about will happen of its own accord. So, if you want to criticize the emergent folks, you should attack them for using methods that are weak relative to the phenomenon they want to understand, rather than for being mystics or non-materialists. -- Michael Travers / MIT Media Lab / mt@media-lab.media.mit.edu