Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!world!decwrl!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!jsq From: domo@tsa.co.uk (Dominic Dunlop) Newsgroups: comp.std.unix Subject: Re: Standards Update, NIST Shell-and-Tools FIPS Workshop Message-ID: <13137@cs.utexas.edu> Date: 3 Oct 90 10:06:10 GMT References: <558@usenix.ORG> <107019@uunet.UU.NET> Sender: jsq@cs.utexas.edu Reply-To: domo@tsa.co.uk Organization: The Standard Answer Ltd. Lines: 40 Approved: jsq@cs.utexas.edu (Moderator, John S. Quarterman) X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net Submitted-by: domo@tsa.co.uk (Dominic Dunlop) In article <107019@uunet.UU.NET> hl.rogers@ncrcae.Columbia.NCR.COM (HL Rogers) writes: > There is something to be said for any action which motivates the IEEE > committees to move a little faster. This type of action, however, will > ultimately cost the taxpayer when agencies who purchase D9 implementations > have to retool a year later because all the developed applications will > honor the final dot 2 draft. While we can wish for an ideal world where standards committees are always able quickly to reach a broad consensus based on well-tried existing practice, and can deliver a well-rounded document to an accepting and grateful public, we have to concern ourself with real life. Real life is populated by engineers with a variety of opinions, politicians, lawyers, accountants, and, if you're unlucky, people waving guns -- all forces which make it more difficult to achieve what may appear to you to be obvious goals. Like you, I, and Uncle Sam, they're just doing their jobs, and may consider different goals to be obvious. One just has to evaluate how well one is doing despite their malign influence. And I think that requiring conformance to a draft standard is a whole lot better than not requiring conformance to anything in particular. Sure, it will be annoying and painful to convert later when the real thing comes along. And it will cost real money. But it will cost a whole lot less money in total than -- say -- implementing using a proprietary environment now, and switching to an official POSIX.2 when it comes along. Yes, the up-front costs may be higher because a draft 9-conforming environment is likely to be more or less custom-built (or at least, suppliers are liable to try to stick you for the costs of a fully custom job, even if such costs are not justified). But the downstream costs, including the costs of any draft-to-final conversion, are likely to be way lower. -- Dominic Dunlop Volume-Number: Volume 21, Number 173