Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!usenix!jsq From: brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) Newsgroups: comp.std.unix Subject: Re: Standards Update, IEEE 1003.4: Real-time Extensions Message-ID: <548@usenix.ORG> Date: 24 Sep 90 21:56:28 GMT References: <495@usenix.ORG> <523@usenix.ORG> <529@usenix.ORG> Sender: jsq@usenix.ORG Organization: IR Lines: 40 Approved: jsq@usenix.org (Moderator, John Quarterman) X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net Submitted-by: brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) In article <529@usenix.ORG> chip@tct.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) writes: > According to fouts@bozeman.bozeman.ingr (Martin Fouts): > >However, the presences of the proc file system is not a strong arguement > >for the inclusion of othere features in the file system. > I disagree. I consider it an excellent example of how the designers > of Unix realize that all named objects potentially visible to more > than one process belong in the filesystem namespace. I disagree. I consider it an excellent example of how the designers of UNIX realize that all *reliable*, *static*, *local* (or virtually local) I/O objects potentially visible to more than one process belong in the filesystem namespace. /dev/proc, for example, is reliable---there's no chance of arbitrary failure. It's static---processes have inertia, and stick around until they take the positive action of exit()ing. And it's local---you don't have an arbitrary delay before seeing the information. So it's a perfectly fine thing to include in the filesystem without hesitation. Objects that aren't reliable, or aren't static, or aren't local, also aren't necessarily sensible targets of an open(). Some of them might fit well, but each has to be considered on its own merits. > So, how do we program in such a system? We use its elegant interface > -- or should I say "interfaces"? Plain files, devices, IPCs, and > network connections each have a semantically accurate interface, which > unfortunately makes it different from all others. The single UNIX interface is the file descriptor. You can read() or write() reasonable I/O objects through file descriptors. Very few programs---the shell is a counterexample---need to worry about what it takes to set up those file descriptors. Very few programs---stty is a counterexample---need to know the ioctl()s or other functions that control the I/O more precisely. What is your complaint? ---Dan Volume-Number: Volume 21, Number 136