Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!ucbvax!usenix!jsq From: rja7m@chaos.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ran Atkinson) Newsgroups: comp.std.unix Subject: Re: Standards Update, NIST Shell-and-Tools FIPS Workshop Message-ID: <561@usenix.ORG> Date: 28 Sep 90 23:49:05 GMT References: <558@usenix.ORG> Sender: jsq@usenix.ORG Reply-To: rja7m@chaos.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ran Atkinson) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 26 Approved: jsq@usenix.org (Moderator, John Quarterman) X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net Submitted-by: rja7m@chaos.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ran Atkinson) As a former Federal employee and someone who looks at POSIX strictly from the user point of view, I'd much rather see NIST write a FIPS based on P1003.2/10 AND the current P1003.2a than to have them write one based on P1003.2/9 because it seems clear that draft 9 will be farther from the end product than draft 10 will be by a significant margin and P1003.2a has a lot of stuff that most existing UNIX (tm) users expect to see that was omitted from P1003.2. For that matter, it might be worth looking at the SVID for System V, Release 4 and the BSD 4.3 Tahoe documentation to see if there is other stuff that isn't part of the P1003.2 effort that NIST thinks government users need. For my part, I want P1003.2 to specify an environment with capabilties comparable to what BSD and the SVID both specify and I don't really see that just now in the drafts. I have mixed feelings about the notion of NIST pushing the FIPS this fast, but I agree that some vendors are clearly just trying to drag out the IEEE standards process and are trying to water down the standard so that their existing proprietary system will meet the standard. Randall Atkinson randall@Virginia.EDU Volume-Number: Volume 21, Number 149