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From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Woz giveth, Scully taketh away
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Date: 1 Oct 90 01:11:01 GMT
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In <28361@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) writes:

>Or maybe it's just for educational purposes.  Of course, only K-12 education,

Whoa!!  Wait a second?  K-12?  Isn't it K-8 now?  Don't our high
school folks need those expensive Macs?

>since all those English majors in college need a 33MHz processor to print
>out their papers.  And Macintoshes are SO much better suited for education,
>being black & white and more expensive.

Absolutely!  Heaven forbid a school have a few dozen machines vs. just
a dozen Macs or so?  Oh, WAIT, I forgot, you can buy low-end Mac's for
less than you can get a II ($649 for a Mac Plus, high ed discount (I'd
imagine it'd be same/close for low-ed)).  Oops.  Sorry.

>But wait!  There's low-cost color versions!  With Apple II emulators inside!

Absolutely!

>Here's my predictions:
>- Apple drops the Apple //e line within six months.
>- Apple offers "upgrade" paths to Macintosh(tm) technology, so that schools
>  can become empowered(tm).

But NOT to individuals, saying it would be cost too much for us (ie:
ROM03 on GS)

>- Scully continues shoveling BS about his commitment to us.

Apple Co. goes into producing fertilizer and methane, immediately
capable of 30 million metric tons of it on day one.

>The funny thing about being so cynical toward Apple Computer is that I'm so
>often right.

Yup.  Ain't it grand?  :-(

>I realize that all this screaming and yelling doesn't amount to a hill
>of Mac Plusses.  At one point I felt that if I worked for Apple, maybe
>I'd be able to push the right buttons for the right people.  I've since
>withdrawn my request for an interview with them... I'd rather program in
>Cobol than do development for the Macintosh.

Geez, that IS pretty bad!  Cobol programming is the lowest of lowest
programming!  :)

>Last year Apple started to throw away the low end market they had been a

Last year??????????  Uh, didn't they start doing that a long time ago?
Like at LEAST 4 years ago when the GS came out. 

>major force in for so long.  Now they want it back, since IBM managed to
>sneak in out of nowhere and capture most of the market.  Amazing how the

I say, "GO IBM!  Screw Apple!  They deserve it!"  Of course, that
means the customers get screwed by IBM garbage unfortunately.  But
they are probably more direct about it that Apple.

>marketing department expects to accomplish this with reduced prices on
>Macintoshes (seven year old technology) with Apple II compatibility

HA!

>(14 year old technology).  I wish they'd make up their minds exactly
>what the "cutting edge of technology" is.

A very dull knife, that MIGHT cut butter if it's heated to a few
hundred degrees. :)

>I mean, hell, if they want me to purchase the cutting edge of technology,
>I'll go out and buy a NeXT...

Yup!  Hey, join the gang!   Anybody want to start a "Apple II, Now
NeXT Club"?  A2NNC?  Eww.  Anybody got a better acronym?  Ya know, I
wonder if Jobs was expecting this!

>Everybody used to be concerned about how, if we didn't stop all this
>nonsense talk, people would stop buying the Apple II (the self-fulfilling
>prophecy concept).  I hope people *do* stop buying the Apple II.  I realize

I second the opinion!  People STOP BUYING APPLE II's!  Go buy Amiga's,
NeXT's, or if at the worst, MS-DOS junk.

>that I'm shooting myself in the foot, but the thought of putting a computer
>neophyte through all the crap that authorized Apple dealers(tm) throw at
>us is really horrifying.

Hell, the thought of having computer neophyets, or ANYBODY for that
matter, shelling out good money for a system that they are gonna junk
anyways.  Heck, buy a machine that IS going to get supported.  And if
you think Mac is gonna, forget it!  They are getting screwed too!

>Scully will continue to support the Apple II alright.  As an emulation
>mode in a Macintosh.

And a shitty one at that I bet!