Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!apple!agate!darkstar!ucscb.UCSC.EDU!unknown From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Woz giveth, Scully taketh away Message-ID: <7371@darkstar.ucsc.edu> Date: 1 Oct 90 06:41:38 GMT References: <28361@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <5658@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: usenet@darkstar.ucsc.edu Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing Lines: 65 In article <5658@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes: >In <28361@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) writes: >I say, "GO IBM! Screw Apple! They deserve it!" Of course, that >means the customers get screwed by IBM garbage unfortunately. But >they are probably more direct about it that Apple. Well, I don't say GO IBM.. I still don't like IBM PCs (and don't think I ever will).. I do agree with many of these kinds of statements (unfortunately) though. >>I mean, hell, if they want me to purchase the cutting edge of technology, >>I'll go out and buy a NeXT... > >Yup! Hey, join the gang! Anybody want to start a "Apple II, Now >NeXT Club"? A2NNC? Eww. Anybody got a better acronym? Ya know, I >wonder if Jobs was expecting this! This is really sad.. Steve Jobs was a VERY VERY VERY MAJOR reason for the downfall of the Apple II in the first place.. I have no direct facts to base all of this on, so you may not believe me, but he either STOPPED or seriously slowed down many projects to improve the Apple II... This was for his pet project the Lisa.. what a flop... heh.. but, as we all know it was turned into the Mac. But I'm not saying I don't like NeXT. I think the NeXT is really cool and feel that the optical disk idea was BRILLIANT, while it seems most people say it's utterly stupid. >>Everybody used to be concerned about how, if we didn't stop all this >>nonsense talk, people would stop buying the Apple II (the self-fulfilling >>prophecy concept). I hope people *do* stop buying the Apple II. I realize >I second the opinion! People STOP BUYING APPLE II's! Go buy Amiga's, >NeXT's, or if at the worst, MS-DOS junk. NOOOOOO!!! This is the one I ---do not--- agree with. I still want people to buy Apple IIs... Buying Apple IIs (and related hardware AND SOFTWARE!) will help preserve the II longer and may somehow make Apple wise up. I'm not saying I think that'll happen but I still like the GS well enough to not switch to another computer.. However, if/when the II dies (or goes to an even worse slump than it already is), and I find I need a new computer for some reason, it almost definitely will NOT be a Mac.. [unless I am working for Apple or another company doing Mac work... Even with these strong feelings about Apple towards it's II development I still think it's a cool place to work and want to work there, even if it's on the Mac.] If those last conditions aren't satisfied, I'll get an Amiga or NeXT if they're still around... Why should I get a Mac (unless conditions are satisfied) when they're going to screw the Mac people over in a few years like they are screwing us over??? As an aside, many people use this same reasoning for why they won't buy the Atari Lynx game machine because they've been screwed over by Atari too many times.. (By the way, the Lynx game machine BLOWS the GameBoy out of the water! Read rec.games.video for more info!) >Hell, the thought of having computer neophyets, or ANYBODY for that >matter, shelling out good money for a system that they are gonna junk >anyways. Heck, buy a machine that IS going to get supported. And if >you think Mac is gonna, forget it! They are getting screwed too! As I said, I still think people should buy IIs.. Buying IIs is like throwing sand in their face! I still think it's not buying a completely dead/useless computer... so if you're buying it, it's USEFUL -AND- you're telling Apple to go to hell... Sounds funny because you're giving them money and telling them to go to hell at the same time? Well you are since you're paying for their APPLE II technology and not their MAC technology which is what they want you to buy. -- /pqbdpqbdpqbd Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu dbqpdbqpdbqp\ \"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa Simpson/