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From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Woz giveth, Scully taketh away
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Date: 1 Oct 90 16:26:23 GMT
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In <6397@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600prao@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes:

>computer, unix, or 1024x1024 graphics.  All I wanna
>do is do a bit of word processing and appleworks
>fits that bill just dandy.  See some graphic pics,

And you are willing to pay the kind of money Apple wants to do only
that???

>platinum paint / emerald vision / etc will be fine.
>Hear some nice computer music; thanks soundsmith &

You want nice computer music?  How about 16 bit, 44.1kHz stereo sound?
As good as a CD player, or at least fairly close.  Standard on a NeXT.
Heck, I've heard Mac sound programs play slicker stuff the my GS.  And
the Mac only has 4 voices!

>synthlab.  heck, throw in hypercard GS & hyperstudio
>for god knows what.  And of course play a few games

A few is right.

>every now and then.  You guys are power users (hell,
>anyone who wades through all these msgs must be!)
>and need to get ahold of cheap crays.

Not quite correct here.  While I might be considered to be a power
user compared to you, I'm not a real power user compared to REAL PU's.
If I was, I'd probably have long ago had a Sun Sparc, Mac IIsomething,
and maybe another computer on my desk.  That's real power use.  I
don't program for Apples, haven't in a long time, which would qualify
me as more powerful I would think.  Why?  Because there isn't squat
for a decent programming environment, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna
shell out many thousands for a Mac to get that environment.  It says a
lot about a company that doesn't upgrade a machine for four years, and
tells us that the best way to develop is by buying a super overpriced
Mac, admitting to the fact that the GS in particular is not powerful
enough to do 'real' programming on.

No, I wouldn't call myself a power user, not in the least, but as soon
as I get my NeXT, or maybe a Sun Sparc IPC, I will definitely be one,
because I'll have to tools to do it.  Heck, I could become a power
user buying a Amiga!  But doing it with an Apple II...  not without a
LOT of extra expense, money that I could use buying a system with that
much power right outa the box.

THAT'S why I bitch at Apple.  I WANT to stay with my II, I want to
program on it, and stick with the computer I've had since we bought a
II+ (we still have it, and it's still going strong, w/o one problem
since day one, that says a LOT about durability!).  I want to continue
to be an avid fan of Apple, but Apple is doing everything to make me
NOT be a fan, not to mention make the investment in a IIgs a very bad
one.

>now that i've inflamed everyone; is there JUST a
>comp.sys.apple2tech?  Thats what I'm looking for.
>No luck so far.  Maybe my local system is just
>missing it?

Nope, there is no such beast, unless it got created while I wasn't
looking.  There was some discussion about splitting the group into II
and IIgs groups once, and I vaguely recall having a group for
technical issues, but it never got off the ground.

-k