Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!apple!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ncar!mephisto!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!stevendd From: stevendd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Doug) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Net users are cheapskates (was: Different Background) Message-ID: <14681@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 2 Oct 90 20:02:32 GMT References: <14440@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <57880@microsoft.UUCP> Reply-To: stevendd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Doug) Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Lines: 88 In article <57880@microsoft.UUCP> darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes: >In some brainless article stevendd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Doug) writes: >> >>Does anyone know of a PD or shareware program to load in a picture [etc. etc.] > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >A day doesn't go by that someone doesn't ask a question similar to this. >e.g. "does anyone know of a PD desktop publishing program as good as Calamus?" >Oh, of course, shareware programs are also ok, since you don't really have >to pay for them when you get them. If you can pirate something, that's ok too. Darek I asked for a program to simply change the background of the desktop, I didn't ask for a replacement operating system. I simply wanted to change the background. Before some helpful people (not you) informed me that DC desktop and Neo Desk have the ability to change the background, I thought the only program wich did this was Easel ST. Im sorry but I don't think a program to simply change the background is worth $20. I am considerinq purchasing one of the replacement desktops, they have a greater value than a simple picture loader. Where did I infer that I was a pirate?! You infering that I am a pirate is both incorrect and insulting. Does using PD software make a person a pirate? >I realize that this is a free network, but why must we limit ourselves to >talking about PD or shareware software? Why don't we broaden our horizons >and consider commercial software as well? If Doug has asked "Does anyone >know of a program..." then I could promply recommend 4 different commercial >packages (Easel ST, Quick ST II, Neodesk 2, DC Desktop) that are capable of >installing background pictures in either color or monochrome. I believe that >3 of those pacakges even have free demos that you can try out. But as it is, >Doug appears to be too cheap to want to consider these alternatives, and so Yes this is a free network, this network is suspose to also be free of advertising. Are you upset because I don't feel I need to run to the store and buy a copy of your Quick ST? Why haven't I considered commercial software? Very simple I wanted to accomplish a small task, have a different desktop background. I was very susprised not to have found any PD programs to accomplish. >he will have to settle with my two cents worth response to his question: > >Doug, I don't know of any PD or shareware programs that load desktop pictures >in color. I guess you're just SOL if you want to put a picture on your color >desktop. Too bad. Sounded like a neat idea. Maybe you should try writing such >a program, and then try selling it to your fellow netters. I'm sure you would >make a lot of money. > Well I'm going to try. I've looked at the source code from a PD monocrome desktop picture loader. I don't have my GEM docs here at college but when I go home for break you can bet I'm going to give it a try. If I do accomplish this project I will be more than happy to post the program to the binaries group. You're right I don't think many people out there are going to want to spend their money on a program to simply change the desktop background. >Thank you Doug, for letting all the ST developers out there know that you >(and many like you I'm sure) are too cheap to consider spending $20 to $50 >on a piece of software. Hell, why should you be forced to pay money for a >program that someone else spent time developing. All software should be free >right? And distributed freely on all BBSs and networks so that you don't have >to even spend money on long distance phone bills or GEnie charges. Here's a >novel idea: all ST developers should mail out free copies of their software >to all ST users everywhere! The users wouldn't even have to return the disks. Darek very mature, calling names. Not only did you insult me but you insulted everone on the net. I wonder what the majority of the readers of this newsgroup think of you now. By the way If I think a program is worth the money I will buy it; a $20 picture loader isn't. I have quite a collecion of ST programs which I BOUGHT. I have supported and I will continue to support quality ST developers. > >It sure makes me all warm and mushy inside knowing that there is a future in >commercial software development on the ST. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darek Mihocka All views expressed are my own. > Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just so you know I think it is stupid to waste the resources of this net on bickering. Before I posted this to the news group I tried to mail you my responce but it bounced. If you want to continue to call names and throw insults do it by mail. Doug Mail to -----> stevendd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu