Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!bacchus.pa.dec.com!granite.pa.dec.com!mwm From: mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: ksh 11/16/88e now available in AT&T Toolchest Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 90 21:31:37 GMT References: <4140@lib.tmc.edu> <4145@lib.tmc.edu> Sender: news@wrl.dec.com (News) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Lines: 40 In-Reply-To: jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu's message of 3 Oct 90 15:24:35 GMT In article <4145@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard) writes: In article mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) writes: >Just out of curiosity, when did AT&T start allowing people to freely >redistribute their code if it's part of a derived work? At least, >you're implying that I'm free to do what I want with my code if it >includes AT&T's code, which generally includes redistribution. In short, I'm implying nothing of the sort. By complaining about the FSF licensing "stealing" code, while recommending AT&T code, you imply that the AT&T code doesn't have those problems. Since AT&T hasn't changed their licensing, the truth of the matter is that they steal your code to an even larger degree than the FSF. A derived work I create that includes AT&T code can only be redistributed - no matter what the conditions - to people who hold a license for that source. A derived work I create using FSF code can be redistributed to anyone I wish, under the conditions that should be well-known to wise developers. You don't expect to be able to reuse AT&T code. I expect to be able to reuse any well-written piece of software. So in general, you're right. The FSF is saying, "Reuse code! Pass it around! Improve on it! ..Oh, by the way, we can control what you do with it if you do." Well, if you're foolish enough to use software without reading the license, then it looks like that. Me, I carefully read the license for _any_ software before I install/use it. That avoids problems like AT&T calling me with to many lawyers because I accidently distributed part of dd.