Xref: utzoo sci.bio:3571 talk.origins:11859 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!uoft02.utoledo.edu!desire!sbishop From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu Newsgroups: sci.bio,talk.origins Subject: Re: Human/Chimp Hybrids? Message-ID: <1297.270090e2@desire.wright.edu> Date: 26 Sep 90 16:28:33 GMT References: <999@massey.ac.nz> <6284@bgsuvax.UUCP> <26689@boulder.Colorado.EDU> <26700@boulder.Colorado.EDU> Lines: 35 In article <26700@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes: > In article <26689@boulder.Colorado.EDU> I wrote: > >>Ah, but horses and donkeys have different numbers of chromosomes as well. >>This makes their hybrids sterile, but they are viable. I don't remember >>the numbers and I'll try to find out. They are off by one pair, I believe, >>similarly to humans/apes. Of course this proves nothing; but differing >>chromosome numbers is not sufficient to prevent interspecies crosses. > > Found a reference-- _An Atlas of Mammalian Chromesomes_, > compiled by T.C. Hsu and Kurt Benirschke, Springer-Verlag, 1967. > > Donkey's have 62 (31 pairs), horses have 64 (32 pairs). Presumably > two horse chromosomes are similar to one large donkey chromosome; > the atlas shows their keryotypes, but I'm no cytologist. > > Obviously, there is sufficient homology for the chromosomes to > line up properly at mitosis. Meiosis and gamete formation are > screwed up though, so mules and jennies are sterile (usually). > >>I'd bet 5 cents that a chimp/human hybrid would be viable, making humans >>and chimps, by definition, the same genus. I also hope I'm never proven >>right. > > As I said, I'm no cytologist, but the keryotypes of horses and donkeys > look less similiar to me than the keryotypes of humans and chimps, also > shown in the atlas. I raise my bet to 10 cents! > > -jon Could some of the biologists out on the net comment on this? I found it of great interest. If you can explain why chimp/man would not be inter-fertile then please do so. And in layman's terms, please. If keryotypes are simular what would need to be dissimular to prevent conception? I also am willing to consider immunological responses on the part of the host mother.