Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!att!cbnews!military From: welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Ultra -vs- Magic Message-ID: <1990Oct4.012126.10901@cbnews.att.com> Date: 4 Oct 90 01:21:26 GMT References: <1990Oct2.234803.22706@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military-request@att.att.com Followup-To: sci.military Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Lines: 34 Approved: military@att.att.com From: welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) In article <1990Oct2.234803.22706@cbnews.att.com>, Jacob Ben-david Zimmerman writes: *The difference between 'magic' and 'ultra' information in WWI is as *follows: 'Magic' was the information resulting from the cracking of the *Japanese Purple code and various other codes, the most important during *the war being JN-25. In essence, the decoded messages themselves were *'magic' information, and were tightly guarded. the above is essentially correct. * 'Ultra' messages were *instructions to units that were based on Magic information. this is a confusing point; Ultra was used with two different meanings by the allies. the more commonly used meaning today is to refer to data gathered by the british from intecepted and decrypted messages generated by the German Enigma machine; the methodolgy used was based on discoveries by a number of Polish mathematicians and operatives before the war, and transfered to the British just in time. the US used ultra to indicate message of great importance in the Pacific, based on Magic decrypts (and sometimes on British Ultra data) as Jacob mentions. richard -- richard welty 518-387-6346, GE R&D, K1-5C39, Niskayuna, New York welty@lewis.crd.ge.com ...!crdgw1!lewis.crd.ge.com!welty ``Don't close your eyes for the crash; you'll miss the best part'' -- Bruce MacInnes, Skip Barber Driving School instructor