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From: gl8f@astsun9.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Feminism's ill effects on men?
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Date: 27 Sep 90 16:10:36 GMT
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In article <654196708@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:

>>Please explain what it is that the 'feminist movement' has done in the
>>past 15 years that is oppressive to men.  I'm curious...
>
>Here are some examples:
>
[...]
>2) Child's custody.  There is a feminist support in women's
>   priority of child's custody.

Could you please provide a reference for any occasion where NOW has
advocated that women should receive priority just because they are women?

>3) Child's support.  There is a feminist support in the laws
>   the say (for practical purposes) that the man should pay, no matter
>   what the circumstances.

Could you please provide a reference for any occasion where NOW has
advocated that men are more reponsible than women for child support?
There is the additional question of whether or not a man has any say
in abortion, but that is a different question to most people.

I'm not hung up on NOW, I would just like proof of any sort that
Hillel isn't just speaking about a "straw man", so to speak. We've
seen claims in the past that "feminists don't want equal
responsibility in a draft", without proof. I prefer to talk about
real, live feminists instead of theoretical, nonexistant feminists.

-- greg