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From: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
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Subject: Re: Feminism's ill effects on men?
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Date: 27 Sep 90 17:37:02 GMT
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In article <1990Sep27.030210.3654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
gl8f@astsun9.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:

>>2) Child's custody.  There is a feminist support in women's
>>   priority of child's custody.

>Could you please provide a reference for any occasion where NOW has
>advocated that women should receive priority just because they are women?

There was a strong feminist support in a surrogate mother who changed
her mind (Whitehead); there was public pressure by NOW to free from
jail a woman who disobeyed custody decision (Dr. Morgan).

*I* see these cases as support in women's *priority* in custody,
you may see them as you like.

>>3) Child's support.  There is a feminist support in the laws
>>   the say (for practical purposes) that the man should pay, no matter
>>   what the circumstances.

>Could you please provide a reference for any occasion where NOW has
>advocated that men are more reponsible than women for child support?

I expressed the opinion that a man should have some way out in case
of birth control failure.  You, Trish and zillion other feminists
roasted me over this position in alt.flame.

Now you try to tell us that feminists should not be blamed for
this position...

*I* don't buy it, but please feel free to sell it...

>I'm not hung up on NOW, I would just like proof of any sort that
>Hillel isn't just speaking about a "straw man", so to speak. We've
>seen claims in the past that "feminists don't want equal
>responsibility in a draft", without proof. 

Well Greg, please tell us what the national leadership of 
NOW did when the registration for draft started.

>I prefer to talk about
>real, live feminists instead of theoretical, nonexistant feminists.

So why don't you list the actions that show that the 
(post 1975) feminist movement gives a damn about men?

It's not too long, you know...


Hillel                                gazit@cs.duke.edu

"The continuation of earnings gap between men and women, the decimation of
affirmative action in order to protect white men from `reverse discrimination',
the rise of male victories in child custody cases - all of these attest to the
need for a way to galvanize women's opposition and women's power in the 1980s."
            --  ("Caught Looking", Kate Ellis, Barbara O'Dair & Abby Tallmer)