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From: dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Feminism's ill effects on men?
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Date: 27 Sep 90 16:42:11 GMT
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according to gl8f@astsun9.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl):
>In article <654196708@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
>>2) Child's custody.  There is a feminist support in women's
>>   priority of child's custody.
>
>Could you please provide a reference for any occasion where NOW has
>advocated that women should receive priority just because they are women?
>
>>3) Child's support.  There is a feminist support in the laws
>>   the say (for practical purposes) that the man should pay, no matter
>>   what the circumstances.
>
>Could you please provide a reference for any occasion where NOW has
>advocated that men are more reponsible than women for child support?
>There is the additional question of whether or not a man has any say
>in abortion, but that is a different question to most people.

Gee, whenever Hillel points out something nasty that any national or
regional feminist group has done, people jump all over him and say "Group
X doesn't speak for feminism.  Feminism is more diverse than that.  There
are a lot of feminists who don't agree."

Now when he comes up with a list of things that these diverse feminists
support, he is asked to name something a particular national group has
done.

I'll go one step further here, though, and give you a name:  Wolgast.
A name taken very seriously in the feminist movement.  She says that there
is an "inherent asymmetry in parenthood, one that does not stem from
institutions but from reproduction itself.  As parents mothers have a
primary place, one that cannot be occupied by a father."

And:  "At bottom of my argument is the conviction that justice requires men
and women to be treated differently, not in all areas but in some important
ones."
 
Wolgast believes that sex roles have come about because of woman's position
as the "primary" parent, and that law and society should recognize woman's
inherent difference because of that position.  It would be unfair, she
argues, to treat women -- who have this special relationship with children
"that cannot be occupied by a father" -- as equals to men.

This is the kind of logic that allows the feminist movement to masquerade
as an egalitarian or social justice movement, yet strongly oppose (as the
NOW did) joint custody legislation because it would take away woman's
power.


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