Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jrossi@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe "Bart" Rossi) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Christians abetting Satan? (Was: gulf crisis, spiritual help...) Message-ID: Date: 4 Oct 90 03:29:40 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 27 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article johnw@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (John Warren) writes: > >If you really want to be intellectually honest, then you MUST ask >yourself, and find out with as much historical certainty as you can, >whether Jesus rose from the dead and appeared afterward to his >friends or not, since that is what Christianity bases itself upon. >If Jesus did rise, then it is quite irrelevant to say that the >logical consequences are implausible and abhorrent. You might as >well sit on a traintrack and declare that it would be an outrage >that the oncoming train should run over you. In effect you're saying the Resurrection is a historical fact that can be *proven.* I can't honestly decide for the truth of historocity of the Resurrection intellectually, its only through faith from the heart that I lean towards it. The inconsistencies, and alternate explanations, as well as mankind's imagination, make an intellectual investigation lean against it. I was struck by the power of your metaphor. Upon reflection though it would seem that the argument against would be the abscence of any train. The person doesn't see an oncoming train...in fact the tracks are rusted. But the doomsdayer persists in insisting that there is a train headed right for him. -- "Only Universalists get to go to heaven."