Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ucsd!orion.oac.uci.edu!jhess From: jhess@orion.oac.uci.edu (James Hess) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: emergence Message-ID: <271172B0.12370@orion.oac.uci.edu> Date: 9 Oct 90 06:48:16 GMT References: <87759@aerospace.AERO.ORG> Reply-To: jhess@orion.oac.uci.edu (James Hess) Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 23 Help! We now have at least three definitions of emergence running around, and considerable verbiage generated by the confusion. 1) My prefered definition: Those properties which are not possessed by the components of a system but emerge as properties of the system as a whole. 2) Those unanticipated or unpredictable properties which emerge only in the system as a whole, which are not properties of its components or subsystems. This is a special case of the definition above; the qualifiers speak to our state of knowledge rather than some aspect of emergence or the system. 3) Those functions which are not dependent on the implementation of the system (for computers, in a specific set of hardware or software). In this case, the two systems (complete systems, not hardware or software alone) might be thought of as formal analogues or models of each other. This redefintion needs some qualification, in that they may only be models in the sense of black boxes which given the same input produce the same output, rather than processual models or structural models. (For a good discussion of this subject, see discussion of models and simulations in James G. Miller's "Living Systems".