Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker!apple!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!watson!jgsmith From: jgsmith@watson.bcm.tmc.edu (James G. Smith) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: emergent properties Summary: a few thoughts from a student Keywords: Sparseness_Theory Message-ID: <2141@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> Date: 5 Oct 90 17:48:52 GMT References: <3499@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> <1990Oct3.183522.17076@riacs.edu> <4152@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> Sender: usenet@bcm.tmc.edu Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu Just a few quickies. (Oh how long for the eloquence of others.) 1. Conscious machines. In someone's discussion about what will be required to consider machines conscious, it seemed to be that they were including being human in the definition of consciousness. My conclusion is that we will be able to call a man-made machine conscious after we have examined the machine which is ourselves and determined how "consciousness" emerges from that machine. Those man-made machines which mimic that emergence will be considered conscious. My problem with this is that "consciousness" is a spectrum, and to decide that something is conscious or not is to create an arbitrary cut off point. 2. Intelligence as better for life. The question was raised as to whether it was better to be intelligent, and perhaps rational. The answer to that depends on choosing a goal, and that choice is arbitrary. If the goal is to be happy, the well known answer is probably not. (Ignorance is bliss). If the goal is survival of the species, I would say that chances are fairly good that it is better to be intelligent. My conclusion is based mostly on the idea that a species that can locate itself on more than one planet is most likely to survive longest, and my bet is that only an intelligent species is going to be able to do that efficiently. (Other species will certainly tag along, but are not as likely to become as wide spread as the intelligent one.) * (student of Immunology, BTW)