Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnewsj!avr From: avr@cbnewsj.att.com (adam.v.reed) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Emergent properties in VERY simple systems Summary: There's nothing mysterious about emergence Message-ID: <1990Oct5.210737.4836@cbnewsj.att.com> Date: 5 Oct 90 21:07:37 GMT References: <3531@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> <7738@icot32.icot.or.jp> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 34 I'm rather surprised to find that everybody else's (at least on this newsgroup) notions of "emergence" are so different from my own. For years, I've been using the "emergence" of the ability to store information over time (engineers say "memory", but some biologists and psychologists find such usage unbearably anthropomorphic) when two NOR gates are combined into a flip-flop (separately, NOR gates do not have memory, a flip-flop does) to help my students grasp the concept of "emergence". Now I find the denizens of this newsgroup are talking of "emergence" as something applicable only to very complex systems, or to properties not predicted, or not understood, or not capable of extrinsic definition. What's going on? My own notion of an emergent property of a system would include any property which is "qualitatively different" from any property of its component parts. I think that the notion "qualitatively different" here means "defined by criterial operations which cannot be derived from the criterial operations defining the properties of the component parts by simply changing the value(s) of one or more parameters". Thus, when two one-gram masses are combined into a two-gram mass, the latter's property of weighing two grams is NOT an emergent property, since it differs from each component's property of weighing one gram only in the value of a parameter. Memory, on the other hand, does NOT to any property of separate NOR gates. Hence, it fits my idea of an "emergent property". Emergence, in this sense, is a very useful notion for separating interesting and uninteresting properties that systems get by virtue of the organization and interaction of their parts. Why do some people have a need to make it into something esoteric and mysterious? Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com