Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!uwm.edu!bbn.com!nic!hri!sparc9!rolandi From: rolandi@sparc9.hri.com (Walter Rolandi) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Reasoning Paradigms Message-ID: <1990Oct7.155121.18383@hri.com> Date: 7 Oct 90 15:51:21 GMT References: <21054@well.sf.ca.us> <9963@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> <3586@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> <69347@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <3593@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@hri.com Reply-To: rolandi@sparc9.hri.com (Walter Rolandi) Organization: Horizon Research Lines: 40 In article <21054@well.sf.ca.us>, nagle@well.sf.ca.us (John Nagle) writes: > minsky@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Marvin Minsky) writes: > > >So may you can make a pretty good dog with NNs. > > If you believe Sir John Eccles, all the mammals have roughly > the same brain architecture and the differences between the various > mammmals are quantitative, not qualitative. Dissection, DNA distance, > and the evolutionary timetable all point in that direction. So if we > can make it to dog-level AI, we should be almost there. But we aren't > even close. > > John Nagle I too was surprized at this statement. It is astounding how little AI people seem to know about biological learning. One can establish a generalized same-different discrimination in a dog in at most, a few weeks. I don't see this happening anytime soon with machines. You know what you AI philosophers should do? Go out and buy yourself a puppy. Get yourself a good book on dog training (best ever written was by a guy named Daniel Tortora) and personally put your dog through obedience training---never using any punishment or negative reinforcement. You will learn a great deal about learning in the course of discovering how little you know. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Walter G. Rolandi Horizon Research, Inc. 1432 Main Street Waltham, MA 02154 USA (617) 466 8367 rolandi@hri.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------