Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!hayes.fai.alaska.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: john@bovine.ati.com (John Higdon) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Ramparts Magazine Article: Still a Threat? Message-ID: <13094@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 5 Oct 90 18:15:17 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Reply-To: John Higdon Organization: Green Hills and Cows Lines: 22 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 716, Message 11 of 12 While I think someone mentioned that a black box is ineffective for ESS and digital offices because an audio path is not created until the called line supervises, no one has mentioned AT&T's defense against muting boxes. An unsupervised AT&T call has audio in only one direction (to the caller). This is one reason for the sudden appearance of automated referral machines. A conversation with an intercept operator is impossible unless the far end supervises. John Higdon | P. O. Box 7648 | +1 408 723 1395 john@bovine.ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | M o o ! [Moderator's Note: Have you noticed how, on the rare occassions when one gets a live intercept operator somewhere that callers via most OCC's can't speak with the operaor to answer the question 'what number did you dial?'. The operator will then invariably play a recorded message to you which says "under some circumstances, customers of other long distance companies may not be able to speak with the local telephone company operator. Please dial your long distance operator for assistance." PAT]