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From: tenney@well.sf.ca.us (Glenn S. Tenney)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: hacker = computer criminal
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Date: 5 Oct 90 06:24:36 GMT
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In article <20225:Oct319:48:5690@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) writes:
> ...
>Sure, Stoll tapped a phone line---a phone line he was responsible for.
>The corporation makes videotapes of a hall in its own building. What's
>wrong with recording what goes on under your own roof?

In California, it is illegal to record a telephone conversation
unless a notification (that "beep" every x seconds) is made to
(if I recall correctly) *both* parties of the conversation.  This
hasn't, to my knowledge, been tested with data calls.

That's what's wrong with recording phone calls and tapping lines.
It is interesting, but that's why our country has laws -- protecting
people from "the end justifies the means" approach.

How different would it be if this had been voice calls?

Glenn Tenney

p.s.

Every time I heard Cliff use the word "hacker" as if the word equated
"criminal"reminded me of a thing my kid said when he saw a slanted
news piece about The Hackers Conference -->  Why did they say
*that*, we're not criminals?