Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!netsys!daemon From: TK0JUT2%NIU.BITNET@UICVM.uic.edu Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: A Super(cilious)Nova Message-ID: <188@netsys.NETSYS.COM> Date: 5 Oct 90 09:28:18 GMT Sender: daemon@netsys.NETSYS.COM Lines: 55 Seems some of our modem cowpokes out there prefer dismissing issues out of hand rather than addressing them, and about all one can say to Eli after reading his post is: "dipshit" should be hyphenated. Now, let's try again more slowly. The issue isn't whether we like or dislike Cliff Stoll, and judging from the posts, some of those railing against critics of the Nova program seem not to have read Cuckoo's Egg. It was a first-rate "mystery," captivating, and difficult to put down once begun. Stoll also came across quite well in the Nova program---entertaining, lively, and quite photogenic. But, these aren't the issues. The Nova program had the opportunity to clarify for the non-computer literate audience the nature of the hacking community and computer underground. It failed. It re-inforced the image of great danger, distorted the hacking enterprise, and at a time when the Constitutional issues surrounding computerized information is a crucial legal and public issue, presented a set of images that would justify such represesive actions as Operation Sun Devil. The point is not that the Nova producers failed to defend the CU, but rather that--for a Nova program--we should expect something a bit more intellectually stimulating than an uncritical apologia for hacker-hunting. The Cuckoo's Egg, entertaining as it was, presented what can easily be argued as a misinformed attack on the hacker community. The book has been cited and used by law enforcement agencies to justify crackdowns againt the hacker menace. It hardly seems unreasonable to judge a person by the degree of reflection on past statements that have had such an affect, and there was not an iota of evidence from the Nova program that Cliff has had any second thoughts about the impact of his statements. One person may claim he was demonstrably wrong. Another may disagree. This provides the opportunity for dialogue, but dismissing the issue with a silly "get serious" comment is one reason why undergraduates should be required to take a few courses in humanities, especially philosophy. The similarities between Cliff and hackers is not necessarily bad, but rather ironic: Both seem a a bit obsessive, both possess a love of technological problem solving, both are quite adept at "social engineering" to obtain information useful to their purpose. Re-read the Cuckoo's Egg, and, if you taped Nova, re-run it. Is "liberating" equipment from offices any more or less benign than entering a university mainframe without permission? You may think it is, but the fact remains that there is considerable room for honest intellectual disagreement. Also keep in mind that Hess was not a typical hacker, and Stoll made a number of global statements about hackers, not just Hess. It's hardly "whining" to complain about misuse of the term hacker, and it's hardly "old news," at least not to the law enforcement types who define the term as an illegal activity. Check out the indictments from Sun Devil and you'll see how the meaning of the word can be used in a highly prejudicial way. Many of us, including me, would have acted just Stoll acted in tracking down his invader. Hopefully, however, most of us would also reflect on the ethical and other issues raised during a period when technology challenges conventional notions of privacy, freedeom of speech, proprietary information, and other neat stuff that was *totally* ignored in the Nova program.