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From: brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: hacker = computer criminal. so what?
Message-ID: <21368:Oct605:20:1990@kramden.acf.nyu.edu>
Date: 6 Oct 90 05:20:19 GMT
References: <16409@know.pws.bull.com> <5728:Oct421:27:4390@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> <186@netsys.NETSYS.COM>
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To get the attributions right once and for all, here's a list in order
of the articles that led up to this one. I hope this concludes the
metadiscussion.

In article <69148@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> howell@grover.llnl.gov (Louis Howell)
commented on the NOVA show.

In article <20225:Oct319:48:5690@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> I
commented on the ethical issues he brought up.

In article <185@netsys.NETSYS.COM> niu.bitnet!TK0JUT2@netsys.NETSYS.COM
commented on my article.

In article <16409@know.pws.bull.com> eli@PWS.BULL.COM (Steve Elias) wrote:
+ so the media has changed the meaning of the word "hacker".  
+ so what?  this is VERY old news.  please quit whining about it.
+ > brnstnd@KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU(Dan Bernstein) writes:
+ > Employers have no right to tap phone lines.
  [ and some more stuff that I didn't write---TK0JUT2 did ]
+ similarities between Cliff's "behavior" and the hacker's "behavior"...
+ please cut the bullshit.

In article <5728:Oct421:27:4390@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> I wrote:
+ In article <16409@know.pws.bull.com> eli@PWS.BULL.COM (Steve Elias) writes:
+ > > brnstnd@KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU(Dan Bernstein) writes:
+     [ stuff deleted ]
+ > please cut the bullshit.
+ I didn't write that bullshit; somebody at netsys.com did.

In article <186@netsys.NETSYS.COM> len@netsys.NETSYS.COM (Len Rose) wrote:
+ made by Steve Elias commenting on Jim Thomas' article
+ which commented on Nova's Cliff Stoll story:
+ >I didn't write that bullshit; somebody at netsys.com did.
+ Please.. No one at netsys wrote that.. if you will look back at the 
+ original message, you will see that TK0JUT2@NIU.BITNET (Jim Thomas)
+ wrote it..

And, finally, I apologize for misattributing TK0JUT2's comments. I just
glanced at the message-ID, didn't recognize it as a common mailing list
concentrator, and assumed that it was accurate. Sorry.

---Dan