Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!agate!belch.Berkeley.EDU!larry From: larry@belch.Berkeley.EDU (Larry Foard) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Way to fight trivial patents Message-ID: <1990Oct7.175737.12808@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 7 Oct 90 17:57:37 GMT Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator) Organization: University of California Berkeley Lines: 34 It seems that recently the computer industry has been assaulted by a wave of frivolous patents. Many of these are trivially obvious things such as storing the data behind a window in a windowing system. If all trivial things are patented programming would be like trying to write a book if half of english words where copyrighted. The network provides an interesting way out of this problem, most trivial (and not so trivial) ideas have been discussed on technical news groups at one time. It would seem (lawyers correct me if I am wrong) that one could print out all newsgroups and have the contents notirized (sp?) to provide proof that an idea was already in existance before a given patent was applied for. A non profit organization could provide a tremendous service by maintaining these records and making them available to any one fighting a patent. Not only would this invalidate many patents that are granted but it would provide a deterent to prevent people from patenting everything and the kitchen sink. It would also help if a fund to help defeat patents was setup so that people who would normally have to submit to blackmail could have the patents thrown out instead. Assuming this idea would work are there any organizations willing to undertake this kind of effort? It could even be done by a number of individuals, each volunteering to keep records of a single news group. Now for something completely different: A previous message claimed that the FBI was tracing FTP uploads and downloads, fortunitly on the network it is possible to know when some one is "looking". A simple rewritting of the finger demon to record requests would detect a system like that described in the previous message. It might be worth while to check out all FTP sites for those that finger you in responce to an FTP connection. P.S. Would it be illegal to copy the entire X windows source into your .plan file and precede to download every program off an SS infested site? P.P.S. I'm not about to find out :)