Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!samsung!usc!apple!bbn.com!pplacewa From: pplacewa@bbn.com (Paul W Placeway) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: hacker = computer criminal Message-ID: <59871@bbn.BBN.COM> Date: 8 Oct 90 05:40:30 GMT References: <30571@netnews.upenn.edu> <5628:Oct421:22:1090@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> Sender: news@bbn.com Lines: 34 brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) writes: < That's true. They'd try to record only as much as would reasonably cover < where they expected the criminal to go. That's exactly what Stoll did. And when he found a more selective way to monitor _only_his_target_, he switched to that. Have you ever used an ATM? Do you remember to smile at the camara? The basic problem here is a clash of rights. On the one hand, as a user I (should) have the right to use my account in private, even over the phone, just as I (might) have the right to talk to someone on the phone privately. On the other hand, I should have the right to detect and prevent (and perhaps catch in the act) someone from using my system without my prior aproval, just as I have the right to put locks on the doors of my residence. And I (probably) shouldn't have to search warrant to monitor my own front door (back door, side window, etc). But it might be reasonable to require some kind of prior legal aproval for me to monitor all the doors of an apartment building. Finally, someone who has trespassed into my system should definitely have the right to due process. No, these analogies arn't perfect, but they are pretty close. I have to live and work in this corner if "cyberspace", and should be able to do so without some other person breaking into my "house"/"office". I ask nothing more than courtesy, but demand nothing less. -- Paul Placeway