Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!aplcen!samsung!sdd.hp.com!usc!rutgers!mcnc!wolves!ggw From: ggw%wolves@cs.duke.edu (Gregory G. Woodbury) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: A Super(cilious)Nova Keywords: hackers phreaks pirates cu semantics Message-ID: <1990Oct8.145439.12991@wolves.uucp> Date: 8 Oct 90 14:54:39 GMT References: <188@netsys.NETSYS.COM> <191@netsys.NETSYS.COM> <193@netsys.NETSYS.COM> Organization: Wolves Den UNIX and Usenet node Lines: 45 X-Checksum-Snefru: 94c32b6d 249c6ff7 cf456cbb b19ea360 In <193@netsys.NETSYS.COM> len@netsys.NETSYS.COM (Len Rose) writes: > > Peter was right.. I can't be impartial when it comes to this whole > mess and will again withdraw into the background. I will let those > of you with more level heads discuss these issues. > > Lurking somewhere between a rock and a hardplace.... Len: You have a fully justifiable anger to deal with here, and *I* for one, will not expect you the be fully impartial when discussing the issues. You, and the other victims of the SS (what an appropriate abbreviation!) and corporate ineptitude and greed (myself included) have been tarred without any chance to face the real accusers. I don't think you need to refrain from comment simply because you hold strong opinions about the topic. Peter: I, too, do not like having the formerly proud label of hacker co-opted and corrupted into a criminal category. To some extent, I have been forced to adopt a new term for myself so that I can describe the level of expertise without making too much claim. The most appropriate words are "guru" or "wizard" (but those are not being subject to a similar co-opting process in news.groups) but find myself uncomfortable with them, so I coined/adopted "cybermancer" instead. Comments in general The Nova program was pretty good as a general television program, it presented a good insight into the emotional and social impact of the event, without letting the esoterical details of computing get in the way. Nova has always presented the basic information necessary to understanding without bogging down in the details that are important only to the experts. Additionally, Cliff Stohl is an admittedly *odd* character, even for the idiosyncratic and peculiar west coast computing community. The interview of Cliff on CNN the other week (where he appropriated the reporters' CNN watch) was a prime example of his particular set of foibles. -- Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...mcnc!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw%wolves@mcnc.mcnc.org [The line eater is a boojum snark! ]