Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!nih-csl!lhc!ncifcrf!haven!uflorida!simulation From: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu (Moderator: Paul Fishwick) Newsgroups: comp.simulation Subject: SIMULATION DIGEST V18 N4 Message-ID: <24824@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Date: 10 Oct 90 12:39:19 GMT Sender: fishwick@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU Reply-To: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu Lines: 207 Approved: fishwick@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu Volume: 18, Issue: 4, Wed Oct 10 08:38:55 EDT 1990 +----------------+ | TODAY'S TOPICS | +----------------+ (1) Simscript vs. Modscript (2) CALL: AI and Simulation Conference (3) WANTED: Financial Modelling Info. (4) RE: Simulation Support Tools (5) RE: Simulation Tools for Workstations * Moderator: Paul Fishwick, Univ. of Florida * Send topical mail to: simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu OR post to comp.simulation via USENET * Archives available via FTP to bikini.cis.ufl.edu (128.227.224.1). Login as 'ftp', use your last name as the password, change directory to pub/simdigest. Do 'type binary' before any file xfers. * Simulation Tools available by doing above and changing the directory to pub/simdigest/tools. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 11:04:22 -0400 From: news@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU To: comp-simulation%uunet.UUCP@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU Newsgroups: comp.simulation Path: surya.cs.Virginia.EDU!rpw From: rpw@surya.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner) Subject: SIMSCRIPT/MODSCRIPT Sender: news@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Reply-To: rpw@surya.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner) Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 15:04:14 GMT Hi there, I've got a couple of rather low-level questions to ask about simulation packages. Please drop me e-mail if you have any thoughts, but I'll continue reading this group if you absolutely must followup. What I'm doing is deciding what kind of simulation package to bring up on our SUN network (and maybe an RS6000) here at UVA. Basically, we've narrowed our choices down to SIMSCRIPT and MODSCRIPT, although we will listen to other suggestions. MODSCRIPT has the advantage of being the 'newer, better' product, although it hasn't been brought up on the RS6000 just yet. SIMSCRIPT is the popular package that everyone seems to be using. Our questions: 1. Is MODSCRIPT really alot better than SIMSCRIPT? Would it be worth going directly to this package and sidestepping SIMSCRIPT? 2. Is there alot of expertise and code easily available out there for SIMSCRIPT? More specifically, should we stick with SIMSCRIPT like people stick with FORTRAN, because they can import code easily from someone who's already done it, rather than doing it themselves? 3. Is there something or some package that we're overlooking? Thanks in advance for your help. If anyone wants a summary of replies, let me know by email and I'll send you one. --ray Ray Wagner Computer Science Department rpw@cs.virginia.edu University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 23:04:43 GMT From: mcleod@Sds.Sdsc.Edu Subject: Bulletin Board fodder To: fishwick@bikini.cis.ufl.edu X-St-Vmsmail-To: ST%"fishwick@bikini.cis.ufl.edu" ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND SIMULATION CONFERENCE April 1-5, 1991 New Orleans, Louisiana ******CALL FOR PAPERS****** The combination of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Simulation Technologies continues to provide opportunities for advanced developments in both fields. As a result there is significant demand for information exchange by participants in both fields. This conference offers a forum for discussing theoretical and applied results with individuals from either and/or both disciplines. Abstracts are invited in the following areas, Theory: Methodology; AI and Modeling Process; Qualitative Simulation; Cognitive Modeling; Neural Networks; Intelligent Simulation Environments; Interfaces Applications: Aerospace; Telecommunications; Agriculture; Manufacturing; Government; Medicaid; Process Control. Refereed and unrefereed papers will be presented. Abstracts and proposals for sessions, tutorials and workshops should be submitted by October 29, 1990 to: Dr. Ranjeet Uttamsingh, Chair, c/o The Society for Computer Simulation, PO Box 17900, San Diego, CA 92117. Notification of acceptance will be sent out by November 15, 1990. Authors will be expected to register early and attend at their own expense. Papers will not be published if they cannot be presented at the conference. Camera ready papers must be sent to The Society for Computer Simulation by December 16, 1990. For further information, contact: Ranjeet Uttamsingh (313) 737-5505; Fax: (313) 737-5508; or the Society for Computer Simulation (619) 277- 3888; Fax: (619) 277-3930; E-Mail MCLEOD@SDSC.BITNET (:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 07:43 EDT From: Stephen Downes-Martin Subject: Financial modeling info sought To: simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu" Any information on the use of simulation in financial domains gratefully received (books, people, journals, societies, people, etc). Many thanks. Stephen Downes-Martin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 12:00:55 EST From: Richard E. Nance - SRC To: acuenca@gmv.es Subject: Request for Simulation Support Tools Cc: balci@mdesun.cs.vt.edu, simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu The Model Development Environment research at Virginia Tech has produced a prototype enviroment that is intended for research only (not production work). Are you acquainted with our work? Would you like reprints? (Note: Suggest that you check the papers by Overstreet and Nance, CACM, Feb 1985 and Trans. SCS, Jan 1987 and by Balci, Comps & Ops Res, v13, no 1, 1986 and Balci & Nance, J. Oper Res Soc, Aug 1987. These might give you a better indication of the relevancy to your needs.) Dick Nance nance@vtopus.cs.vt.edu ------------------------------ Return-Path: Posted-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 1990 08:27:18 EST From: samuels@mitre.org (Michael Samuels) To: simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu Cc: samuels@mitre.org Subject: Re: Simulation tools for Workstations Date: Wed, 10 Oct 1990 08:27:18 EST Organization: The MITRE Corporation I am interested in using simulation as a system-level modeling tool - I want a COTS product that will provide features for input data analysis, model creation, debugging, runtime monitor and control, output data analysis, and graphics. SIMAN/CINEMA, SLAM/TESS, and GPSS with its graphical interface always seemed to me to be moving in the direction of a "simulation workbench", while SIMSCRIPT (and its newer cousin, MODSIM) strike me as programming languages with simulation capabilities added in. SIMSCRIPT (and MODSIM) are great for very detailed models to be linked with prototypes and testbeds; the latter are much easier to use for system-level modeling. In volume 17, issue 10, a number of brief remarks were made concerning SIMSCRIPT vs. SES/Workbench. The latter was given higher marks by most readers because of its graphical interface and faster runtime capabilities. However, at least one comment noted that SES/Workbench had fewer capabilities than SIMSCRIPT in terms of modeling structures. Has anyone ever compared SES/Workbench to SLAM/TESS, SIMAN/CINEMA, or GPSS with its graphical toolbox? Sure, SLAM, SIMAN, and GPSS are "old" languages without the object orientation that is now in vogue. However, my needs are for modeling, not software development. If a FORTRAN-based simulation package offers me three times as many features as one based on C++, I'd rather have the older package (besides, SIMAN and SLAM let users link C code to their models). Have users of SES/Workbench compared this product to anything other than SIMSCRIPT? I will summarize whatever responses I get to the Digest. Michael Samuels Mailstop Z676 The MITRE Corporation 7525 Colshire Drive McLean, Virginia 22102 (703) 883-7828 ------------------------------ END OF SIMULATION DIGEST ************************