Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!ucrmath!rhyde From: rhyde@ucrmath.ucr.edu (randy hyde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Rastan GS Message-ID: <9101@ucrmath.ucr.edu> Date: 8 Oct 90 06:15:10 GMT References: <13958@smoke.BRL.MIL> <1990Oct7.050620.19014@isis.cs.du.edu> <9096@ucrmath.ucr.edu> <7586@darkstar.ucsc.edu> Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 33 >> I presume you've not been in the computer hobbyist "field" long enough. Perhaps you're right. I was only 10 years old in the middle 60s when the term was coined. However, from your statements, I assume *YOU* haven't been around long enough to know where the term was derived from. "Hack" means exactly that, someone who hacks away at something till they get it working. The term "hack writer" was in existence long before there were computers, much less computer hobbyists. The term "computer hacker" came about because there were lots of people playing around on computers, learning how to program them, without any formal training. Sure, they got a lot of stuff to actually work, even some marvelous stuff, but their methods were generally poor. Hackers gained a lot of romantic infamy by writing video games (Steve Levy's book didn't hurt, either) and other high visibility programs (e.g., the GNU stuff). Media stories of 16 year olds making six figure salaries helped propogate the attention [I personally knew some 16-year olds who were making six figure salaries, it was a bunch of media hype, this one character got a $25,000 quarterly royalty check; once. Multiply that by four and you've got a six figure salary. Of course, the next quarter's check was only $5,000 and the game stopped selling after that). Then a new breed of "hackers" developed-- the ones who caused problems and were breaking into systems, spreading viruses, and setting up pirate networks. They called themselves hackers (because, by then, this had a romantic meaning). Indeed they were-- They had very little formal training and they were busy solving problems via trial and error (almost the definition of a hacker). Unlike their predecessors, these guys (and gals) were often little more than common criminals. So while I feel sorry for those who mistakenly choose the term "hacker" as a badge of honor, only to have the term bastardized by some low-lifes, I'm quite happy to see that, once again, the term is developing negative connotations. *** Randy Hyde