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From: cwilson@NISC.SRI.COM (Chan Wilson [Animal])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: boneheads on the net (Re: Multiple newsgroups)
Message-ID: <22047@wb.NISC.SRI.COM>
Date: 10 Oct 90 03:06:40 GMT
References: <4872@crash.cts.com> <1990Oct9.004842.8492@utstat.uucp>
Organization: Network Info Systems Ctr., SRI Intl., Menlo Park, CA.
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In comp.sys.apple2 you write:

>In article <4872@crash.cts.com> mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com (Morgan Davis) writes:

>[history of II, various ramblings, reads comp.sys.mac.* deleted]

>>Personally, I don't see an end in sight until a lot of Apple II users
>>realize that being rigid in their loyalty to the Apple II series is no
>>longer healthy, nor admirable.  Today, it is just plain stupid.  Imagine
>>hordes of C-64 users clutching their plastic boxes to their chests,

>This is an absurd statement, as well as being totally insensitive to many
>AppleII() users who have enjoyed their computers for a long time( I am
>a very new GS user who comes from the Mac world and uses Unix systems at
>work).          

Why is this an absurd statement?  It makes plenty of sense.  An 
Apple II+|//e|//gs isn't an appropriate machine for a large number of things.
Likewise, a SparcStation isn't either.  20 years from now I hardly expect
to be able to use the same computer I am today.  Granted, it would be
nice, but I certainly hope that better things come along in that time 
period.

>>It is time to open eyes, close mouth, and just listen for a while.

>What is it we are supposed to be listening for? I am happy with the GS,

When you enter a room full of people conversing, you don't just start
talking and yammering away with the nearest group without listening first,
to determine what the conversation and attitude of the group is.  
It's inpolite, rude, and could get you thrown out of the room.  

Having yearlong access to the net, it was interesting/distressing to watch
the deterioration of the contents of comp.sys.apple2.  This was
caused by the influx of various peoples who did a very good job of
exibiting bad behaviour, basically acting like a bunch of boneheads. 

People, you MUST realize that USENET IS A WORLD-WIDE GROUP.  Behaviour
that is acceptable at a campus beer bash is NOT ACCEPTABLE IN PUBLIC.
USENET IS PUBLIC.  

> But I find it rather annoying to be lectured
>to by commercial vendors in the Mac/GS world. I'm the customer, and in
>the way our world works it is the customer who should have their concerns
>addressed and not the other way around. One thing I won't do is pander
>to the whims of the commercial vendors whether they are Apple or The
>Morgan Davis group.

Fine.  Pander to the whims of the rest of us.   People that persist in
being rude, impolite, and exibit other bonehead behavior will find that
they are taking access to USENET for granted.

USENET is a privilage, not a right.

>Philip McDunnough
>Professor of Statistics

 ^^^^^^^ I find this doubtful, given your behaviour as late.

>University of Toronto-> philip@utstat.toronto.edu
>[my opinions]

--Chan Wilson, finally pissed off enough to post something about it.

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