Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!ucsd!dog.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!cory.Berkeley.EDU!fadden From: fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: October Issue of Workstation News Summary: Apple market share type stuff Message-ID: <28646@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 10 Oct 90 03:50:48 GMT Sender: news@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU Reply-To: fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 79 (this is intended to be a semi-intelligent discussion of Apple's market share. It's not an Apple flame and I don't want it to become one. If you're not interested, don't read it...) This is one of those magazines that you can get free for a year if you don't mind being put on every mailing list known to mankind. An item of interest to some readers is a discussion of RISC vs CISC. Anyway, the application form has the following question: 1A. If [you are a workstation user], please indicate EACH type of workstation your organization uses: A. Apollo H. Intergraph O. Sun Microsystems B. Computervision I. MIPS P. Tektronix C. Control Data J. NCR Q. Texas Instruments D. Data General K. NeXT R. Unisys E. DEC L. Silicon Graphics Z. Other (please specify) F. Hewlett-Packard M. Solbourne G. IBM RT/System 6000 N. Sony Note that the Mac //fx, which has more power than many of the products made by the above companies, has not earned Apple a spot on this list. Instead, it was pushed down into the "other computers" list. In addition, question 9. Which type(s) of network is used at your site? does not include AppleTalk. What exactly is going on here? It appears that, to be considered a workstation, a machine needs two components: - power - the ability to run a UNIX-like environment. An interesting case in point is the NeXT. It has a WIMP interface like the Mac, yet is considered a workstation. Another interesting case is the Amiga. It has enough power to at least be on the "other computers" list, but it doesn't appear there. I recall someone at Apple saying that they were moving primarily into the high-end market, concentrating on Mac IIs. But for some reason it appears that the *perception* of the Mac has not changed. Just as the Amiga is still perceived as a game machine, the Mac isn't accepted as a workstation. I worked for Control Data over the summer (I used to say CDC, but that sounded too much like the Center for Disease Control). Most work was done on the usual collection of PC-AT clones, but we had a Mac II for generating diagrams and proposals. It continues to be popular with those who aren't computer literate or who just aren't "into" computers. But could that same reputation be driving programmers away? Reminds me of the "Real Programmer's Guide"... maybe the reputation of the Mac as a computer "for the rest of us" suggests to heavy workstation users that it's not for them? How is all of this related to the Apple II? Apple hasn't been accepted into the workstation market with it's high end, IBM took away a large share of the low end while Apple was looking the other way, and Amiga is starting their usual end of the year push (full page ads in the campus newspapers, etc). If Apple posts a major loss, what limited support we do have could dry up. They've already stopped selling them overseas, probably expecting the hordes of prospective Apple II buyers to flock to the Macintosh. I don't mean to start a panic or cry that the sky is falling; I'm just trying to find out if other people have a different perception of where (if anywhere) Apple is going. Whether we like it or not, our future is tied very closely to the Mac. flames > /dev/null -- fadden@cory.berkeley.edu (Andy McFadden) ..!ucbvax!cory!fadden