Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!ucbvax!pnet91.UUCP!sb From: sb@pnet91.UUCP (Stephen Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: RE: New (Still Unofficial but Everyone Knows They Exist) Macs Message-ID: <9010090715.aa24930@generic.UUCP> Date: 9 Oct 90 07:08:52 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 80 In article <9009290715.aa09290@generic.UUCP> I said: >Isn't it funny that Apple is bringing out a low cost Macintosh.And its colour and I went on to suggest that these new Macs are designed to replace the Apple IIGS. In message somewhat after, David C. Whitney (dcw@lcs.mit.edu) says: >It just might mean that Apple // folks will have Mac compatibility. It >really depends on what sort of machine you want to call an Apple //. >If thing can boot my GS/OS disk, then I'd call it a useable Apple // [cut] >If I can have a machine in front of me that can run Apple // stuff, then >I'm happy. I have Apple // stuff. I've written Apple // stuff [cut] An Apple II is more than software compatiblity. Its hardware compatibility too. It is also a programming and operating environment which is not plain vanilla boring macintosh. >A combo machine is not something to have a stroke over, it just might >mean the revival of the //. Look at it this way. Apple is pricing I don't think the Apple II compatibility will be a powerful Apple II compatibility. It will be just enough to sell it to schools, and then insideously switch 'em over to Macs. Do you really think they're going to emulate a TWGS'ed or Zipped IIGS? I don't think so. >The point of the GS was to have a // machine with toolbox support, No. It was to placate the Apple II community/market with a minimal offering, and a bid to soak the cash cow a bit longer. One of the many wonderful things about the Apple II is that you CAN use the Tools if you want that type of application, or you don't. >So now, you're whining that all this great Apple // hardware won't >work in the new machine. Well, I have a 3MB ram and a SCSI card in my >machine. What sort of cards to most people have? RAM cards, disk cards I'm pleased that you want to throw out your stuff. Really. But I had planned to make my system last a tiny bit longer, seeing as how I worked so hard to get it in the first place. Another wonderful thing about the Apple II. That parallel printer interface from my II+, my Unidisk 3.5 from my IIe, they all work so nicely on the IIGS. Well, at least I'll be able to save my IIGS ADB keyboard... :-( >I see Apple making a good (and correct) attempt to merge the // with >the Mac. All of you with //e's should'nt be whining, as you've already >got a machine that works great, and you obviously showed no intention >of upgrading (and you had the chance and passed it up with the GS - and >don't whine abou the price, why should it be free?) //c owners shouldn't I don't see what your problem is. If there is a large installed userbase, money to be made, and users clamouring for updated hardware, WHY MUST Apple insist on ramming their preferences down our throats? There's a market. Exploit it. Would you be against a better GS? Sure sounds like it. >GS owners should cry the least, as one could view this machine as >the ultimate GS upgrade - it now runs Mac stuff. Not just reads the I'll pas on that upgrade. Why don't you buy a Mac now, and save yourself the wait. >I'm waiting to see what Apple produces before I scream bloody murder. >In fact, it just might be the machine I want. It'll allow me a smooth >transition into the Mac world (something I've wanted to do for about 4 The Crown rests... Bye! The next machine I buy will not be a Macintosh. I just don't like the feel. >Dave Whitney | I wrote Z-Link and BinSCII. Send me bug >Computer Science MIT 1990 | reports. I need a job. Send me an offer. STEPHEN BROWN (Toronto, Canada) UUCP: lsuc!graham!pnet91!sb INET: sb@pnet91.cts.com