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From: paul@unhtel.uucp (Paul S. Sawyer)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: What Dan really wants for comp.unix
Summary: Bring back the Wizards
Keywords: wizards,arcana,pizza
Message-ID: <1990Oct5.164707.4950@unhtel.uucp>
Date: 5 Oct 90 16:47:07 GMT
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In article <21619:Oct321:09:0990@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) writes:
>
>You're absolutely right. There should never be a general group (except
>perhaps .misc to handle spillover) when more specific groups are
>available. The current comp.unix hierarchy disobeys this rule. That's
>why it's so confusing.

Agreed.

>I kept that other proposal to noncontroversial groups. Now here's what
>I'd really like to see happen:
>
>  newgroup comp.unix.futures
>  newgroup comp.unix.kernel
>  rmgroup comp.unix
>
>  forget comp.unix.questions, more specific groups are now available
>  alias comp.unix.questions to comp.unix.misc
>  gateway info-unix to comp.unix.misc

OK.

>  forget comp.unix.wizards, more specific groups are now available

NO!!!  This is just why .wizards should come back.

>  ...
>  rmgroup comp.unix.internals, the name sucks

AGREED!!!

>  eventually rmgroup comp.unix.questions

Maybe.

>  eventually rmgroup comp.unix.wizards

NEVER!  (when you pry my cold dead hands from the terminal    B-)

>But inertia prevents such drastic changes from happening overnight. So
>I'll wait, let the confusion settle a bit, and see what can be done step
>by step.
>
>Anyone who wants to bring back ``the old unix-wizards'' should realize
>that the old unix-wizards has been dead for a few years. The group has
>been a mishmash of discussions, mostly like comp.unix.programmer, some
>like comp.unix.kernel/shell/futures. To revive the past you must start
>from a clean slate.

So let's make it "alive" with the discussions on traditions, foods, and
all the other arcana (NO, not comp.unix.arcana!  B-) that make UNIX
more than just "A Registered Trade Mark of [current AT&T mutation]",
now that there ARE newsgroups for the more "serious" stuff!  

Why not?
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