Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!uunet!snorkelwacker!bionet!lhc!ncifcrf!fcs260c2!toms From: toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: Average Fitness, Evolution of Sex and Others Message-ID: <1910@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> Date: 17 Oct 90 14:01:53 GMT References: <3347.2719f222@cc.helsinki.fi> Sender: news@ncifcrf.gov Organization: NCI Supercomputer Facility, Frederick, MD Lines: 37 In article <3347.2719f222@cc.helsinki.fi> xia@cc.helsinki.fi writes: > > Average of Fitness, Evolution of Sex and Others > =============================================== > >In case that someone forgets, let me remind you that the average >of fitness of a gene over generations is represented by geometric >mean, not by arithmetic mean. Allow me to use an example to >illustrate the reason behind this. I have two problems with this thesis. The first is that the concept of fitness is ill-defined (flame away!!!), however much it may be discussed. How do you measure fitness? What are the units? I think that it is an arbitrary measure that assumes that the organism does not affect the environment it is in. But every organism strongly affects its environment! "We" made oxygen! We made oil! We put the oil back into the atmosphere! The oxygen precipitated iron and uranium from the oceans (correct me if I'm wrong on this) so we were the cause of the uranium deposits that allow us to spread radioactive particles all over... The idea of 'fitness' ought to be dropped and replaced with better measures. >If a population of a gene makes 100 copies of itself in one generation, >but 0 copies in the next generation and become extinct, then the >average fitness of the gene is 0 (=square root of 100*0), not >50 (=(100+0)/2). My second objection is that if fitness is the time geometric mean, then highly successful animals like the dinosaur and (yes) humans AND ALMOST ALL SPECIES have zero fitness, since most species die off eventually! Tom Schneider National Cancer Institute Laboratory of Mathematical Biology Frederick, Maryland 21702-1201 toms@ncifcrf.gov