Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: dhepner@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Fraudulent Coin Calls Message-ID: <13526@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 90 00:29:51 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: TELECOM Digest Lines: 73 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 735, Message 3 of 5 >Credit is extended to individuals, based on individual circumstances; >it is not extended to neighborhoods, or groups of people of a certain >ethnic origin. PAT] Imagine you're a merchant offering your own credit, say a jewelry store. Now imagine that a particular form of jewelry, say ruby studded belly button plugs, has one distinction: of 146 ruby studded belly button plugs sold on credit, 143 turned out to be to people who had used falsified credentials. Now you buy RSBBPs for $12.50, and they retail for $900, and that's why you sold 143 to fraudulent customers, but by now you're tired of the ripoff. You advise your staff: no more credit sales of RSBBPs. The next thing you know, out there on Usenet, the moderator of comp.jewelry is griping because he has noticed that the only people who bought RSBBPs were people with holes in their belly buttons, people of the "holey belly button ethnic origin". Discrimination! the moderator screams. You cannot conclude that just because 98% of the previous credit sales of this item were fraudulent that this individual wishing to buy is likely attempting fraud. There are principles involved here! You must complete the transaction regardless of your knowledge. Just pass the costs along to your other customers who do pay their bills. Dan Hepner [Moderator's Note: In your hypothetical example, if 98 percent of the merchandise sold on credit was lost due to fraud, then the merchant did a very poor job of screening persons applying for credit. Can you say Credit Bureau? Do you know what they are used for, and how they operate? If the merchant handed out his credit cards freely to whoever asked for them without bothering to check credit references, or verify the person's address or place of employment, then he should not be surprised at the fraud he suffers. And despite the fraud he suffers due to his careless handling of his credit accounts, there are honest folks who might wish to buy the merchandise and pay for it on convenient terms. If an honest customer reports that his credit card has been lost or stolen -- or otherwise compromised -- then if the merchant makes little or no effort to prevent sales to that account, he should not be surprised at the losses suffered. Unlike the example you gave, where the characteristics of the supposed buyers of the merchandise are so common that they would apply to almost every single human being, it is quite unlikely that most Americans would have any reason or interest in calling a foreign country from a payphone in an ethnic neighborhood. Most calls to such places would be from business telephones or at the very least, private residential telephones. The characteristics of the buyers of international long distance phone service from pay telephones in certain neighborhoods of our inner cities are rather specific. The persons involved are most likely immigrants to the USA from the country involved. If they are in legal possession of a telephone calling card, they should be permitted to use it. If they are not in legal possession of the card, then it should be a simple enough matter to have the network spot the call, and notify a human being who would in turn arrange to have a police officer tap on the person's shoulder as they were standing there making their fraud call. It has happened that way in the past! To the extent that telephone calling cards are defined as instruments of credit, then the rules of the Federal Trade Commission would apply. The FTC has said by all means vigorously prosecute credit fraud. The FTC has also said credit grantors may not block entire categories of people from obtaining credit merely because some creditor-defined ratio of fraud to legitimate transaction has been exceeded. That, after all, is what credit bureaus, check verification and similar services are for: to say who is credit worthy and who is not. Imagine Amex or Diners saying to an Indian or Korean or Israeli that they are not going to honor a given credit transaction because "... people from your country tend to commit fraud a lot...". If Bob Allen -- who has written to the Digest before -- or someone from his office wishes to respond, I'll be privileged to print their letter here. PAT]