Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!cbnewsu!mark
From: mark@cbnewsu.att.com (Mark Horton)
Subject: Re: mush bugs
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 90 16:19:31 GMT
Message-ID: <1990Oct17.161931.24865@cbnewsu.att.com>
References: <1990Oct2.170734.17606@cbnewsu.att.com> <143274@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <143444@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>
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In article <143444@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>, argv@turnpike.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Heller) writes:
> In article <1990Oct4.212140.11006@cbnewsu.att.com> mark@cbnewsu.att.com (Mark Horton) writes:
> > > > When replying, if I forget to press "send" (or miss it) and then press
> > > > "close", the reply window goes away and so does the reply button!
> > > You can still hit the <compose> button,
> > Yes, <compose> works, it just wasn't obvious that I should press it.
> > You view <compose> as meaning "pop up the compose window", I view it
> > as meaning "I want to send a new piece of mail".  I suspect users
> > are more likely to make the latter interpretation.
> 
> If you can think of a better solution for this, I'm listening.
> Keep in mind that real estate is a big issue/problem.  I don't
> want to just "add another button"  -- we could change the label
> on the <compose> button, for example, but to what?

I suggest you just leave the <reply> button there, and pressing it would
just pop the window back up, just like <compose> does.

> > > This is true, but vi is tuned to take full advantage of the capabilties
> > > of the screen.  Mush just uses those curses(3X) commands that are most
> > > portable across all versions of unix (that we've found).  We cannot do
> > > reverse scrolling reliably (which would give you your desired effect)
> > > and be assured that it works everywhere.
> > 
> > Are there bugs in screen scrolling on the BSD curses?  Or is it just slow
> > to scroll backwards?  I think even the BSD curses will scroll the whole
> > screen forward a line if you set scrollok to true.
> 
> curses doesn't have any reverse scrolling mechanisms in it.  It does
> not do screen management very well at all when it comes to any kind of
> screen scrolling.  For example, open a line above (like 'O' in vi)
> is incredibly inefficient.  This is one reason why I hate emacs so much :-)

You are, of course, referring to the BSD curses.  The System V curses
will scroll in both directions nicely if you tell it idlok.  And I've
never seen an emacs (or any other production editor) that uses the BSD
curses.

	Mark