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From: sun@me.utoronto.ca (Andy Sun Anu-guest)
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Subject: Re: Computers and Undergrads
Keywords: computers, undergrads, UofT
Message-ID: <90Oct16.100757edt.19130@me.utoronto.ca>
Date: 16 Oct 90 14:08:13 GMT
References: <1990Oct16.052658.27225@moore.com>
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Mechanical Engineering
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In article <1990Oct16.052658.27225@moore.com> sanwalk@moore.com (Roy Sanwalka) writes:
>	Sorry about all the cross posting, but this is pretty important
>for me and I'd like to get as many responses as possible.
>
>	As the newly acclaimed chairman of the University of Toronto
>Engineering Society's Computer Committee, I am preparing a report to
>the Faculty administration and EngSoc executive council regarding
>"Usage of computer resources by undergraduate engineering students at
>the University of Toronto".  The aims of the report include, but are
>not limited to, the following:
>
>     1)  To demonstrate how computers are used to enhance the quality
>of the undergraduate engineering programs at several prominent
>educational institutes.
> 
>     2)  To demonstrate how computers can increase the productivity
>of undergraduate engineering students at these institutes.
> 
>     3)  To assess current methods of student-computer interaction
>which are emphasized and encouraged by the Faculty of Applied Science
>and Engineering at the University of Toronto.
> 

I think the undergraduate engineering students are best suited to comment
on the above three points. Since ECF does not allow undergraduates to
read news, I suggested you put a general message on ECF and do a survey.
 
>     4)  To identify other measures which could be undertaken to improve
>student-computer interaction and increase computer literacy among
>current and future undergraduates of U. of T.'s Engineering programs in
>an effort to maintain our status in this growing field.
> 

I am not sure what you mean by "our status". In my opinion, increase
computer literacy has nothing to do with whatever status. Knowing computers
inside-out does not mean you can be a good engineer.

>     5)  To recommend additional measures which should be taken to
>assist undergraduate students in utilizing all available computing
>resources as effectively as possible.
> 
>     6)  To recommend new computing resources which could be made
>available to undergraduate engineering students through various
>channels.
> 

Again, I am sure undergraduate engineering students can provide inputs and
comments regarding the above two points. Don't think for a moment that
all engineering undergrads are all computer illiterates and that you have to
seek outside help, you will be surprised. In fact, you yourself ARE an
undergraduate and I used to be one before.

> 
>     As such, I would appreciate the input of any and all persons in
>the fields of enginering and/or computer science education with
>respect to the above.  Opinions, suggestions and comments are
>solicited from all interested parties.  Also, anyone who would like to
>recieve a copy of this report once it is finished should send me mail
>at the addresses below.
>
>		Thanks..

Seems to me that your .signature doesn't work.

Andy

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